PayPal doesn't support Egypt, Can I use my Amrican friend's account ?

Discussion in 'PayPal' started by FadyCoder, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. #1
    (( This Thread only for discussion not to find any PayPal holder ))

    Hello,

    I was looking for any American person have a paypal account (personal account) to let me use it for my small business but moderators deleted my thread as it's violating TOS for paypal ..

    This is the thread (( But I don't want any paypal account unless I make sure that's will be ok ))
    I take a look for PayPal's TOS and I found ..

    Is that means that I can use my friend's personal paypal account but I can't use Premier or Business Account!?
    I didn't find anything saying that I can't let my family or friends to use my account ..
    There is only warning that the account's owner is responsable for all transactions.

    Anyway I don't like to violate TOS or Laws but I want to find a solution ..
    As most of my treatments with American or European persons and they ask me for paypal account ..

    As my English is not very good, I want to know .. Is using my friend's account violating TOS for paypal !?
    if YES .. what is the solution ? Do you have any idea ?

    Best Regards
     
    FadyCoder, Oct 19, 2007 IP
  2. eddy2099

    eddy2099 Peon

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    Of course, it would be a total violation of the Paypal Contract as it can be seen as identity theft. The reason why they ask you to use your credit card is so that they know you are who you claim you are so if you use your friends account then it would really be cheating the system. Only the account user can use the paypal account.

    Since you may be in violation of the following

    https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/UserAgreement/ua/USUA-outside#restricted-policy

    9.1 Restricted Activities. In connection with your use of our website, your Account, or the Services, or in the course of your interactions with PayPal, a User or a third party, you will not:

    e. Provide false, inaccurate or misleading Information;

    i. Use an anonymizing proxy;

    p. Access the Services from a country that is not included on PayPal's permitted countries list.


    Besides a personal account cannot be use to sell anything and receive money from the sale. The TOS said that the Premier and Business account cannot be used for personal purpose so it would mean that the personal account can only be used for the personal account.

    It does not mean that you can share another person's account.

    In short, don't do it if you do not want to break the rules.

    If you need to use Paypal then send up with http://www.plimus.com , they can accept Paypal amongst other things and still be legal for you.
     
    eddy2099, Oct 19, 2007 IP
  3. sexychill

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    From egypt:) , go and get a us bank account use eternity banking create and upgrade your account to gold and ask for visa, then validate your paypal account.
     
    sexychill, Oct 19, 2007 IP
  4. infinityts

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    you can apply for a virtual debit card to use for yout paypal account verification and witdrawing. be sure to ask the debit card agent to make sure it can be used with paypal. the fee to apply is from US25 to US 30.
     
    infinityts, Oct 19, 2007 IP
  5. inworx

    inworx Peon

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    Well, there is no problem in accessing the PayPal account. Though, once you do activity, such as sending there would be problems with the account.

    As with me, I've my business account accessed by few users, 2 of them are in a location where PayPal is not accepted, but still PayPal has no problem and it would not have since this is not violating the TOS, since this is what the business acounts' Multiple Users facility is meant for(basically to verify payments etc.)
     
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  6. FadyCoder

    FadyCoder Member

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    eddy2099
    I don't need to use his credit card as I can use current balance in paypal ..
    I think that using his account don't violate that :confused:
    He will provide them his information and he is the owner, Iam only will use his account to recieve money and pay for services ..
    for example (simply) : if your account is limited you can ask your friend to pay your bills untill you can give him his money !
    This is a real prblem :(
    maybe we can solve that by asking him to work with me without giving me his id and password !! but really this is a big problem.
    (any way read "inworx" 's comment)
    I won't sell products .. I will recieve money for making services.
    so I need personal account ..

    Thanks but that site don't let me to send money ..
    Anyway I signed up and I think that I will use it if I failed to find a solution to use paypal without breaking rules ..



    sexychill
    As Iam from Egypt I can't sign up anyway for paypal account ! :(



    infinityts
    The problem not only in verifting my account as paypal don't let me to sign up !


    inworx
    Great to hear that but I hope that the same be to the pesonal accounts..
    Thanks for that ;)
     
    FadyCoder, Oct 20, 2007 IP
  7. eddy2099

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    Selling Products or offering services is still doing business and you cannot use a Personal Paypal account for that.
     
    eddy2099, Oct 20, 2007 IP
  8. FadyCoder

    FadyCoder Member

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    what about if I will recieve money from "affiliates programs" ..
    this is called business too and I need premier account .. right ?
     
    FadyCoder, Oct 20, 2007 IP
  9. eddy2099

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    If you use Paypal directly to make money then you will need a premier or business account. However if you are making your money elsewhere and not through paypal but your affiliate just uses paypal to send you the funds then you do not need a premier account.

    A Premier or Business account is needed if you use it to collect money directly pay by the customer for product or services.

    If you are in Egypt, you cannot sign up for a Paypal account. If you are permitted, it would be included in the list of supported countries. You cannot share an account or allow the other party to collect on your behalf. It would be deemed to be prohibited activities.

    https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside

    You cannot use Paypal under any circumstances as long as your country is not supported. You just have to wait until it is supported.

    Unless you do not mind breaking the rules and accept any consequences there may be when you are found out.
     
    eddy2099, Oct 20, 2007 IP
  10. FadyCoder

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    plimus.com doesn't let me pay for paypal holders ..
    Iam still in the problem ...

    anyone here have ideas !? :(
     
    FadyCoder, Oct 20, 2007 IP
  11. spidro

    spidro Well-Known Member

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    you only hop is go for alternative like moneybookers, as most people did , i think paypal wont allow egypt to use paypal for many reasons
     
    spidro, Oct 22, 2007 IP
  12. WatchOut

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    If you use a US-based account from a US-user you would have to wish for luck, that the US-based account doesn't get limited.

    I'd strongly advise you to try MoneyBookers; as far as I know it is quite a good solution.

    Regards,
    Meti
     
    WatchOut, Oct 22, 2007 IP
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  14. FadyCoder

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    Moneybookers is not a solutions as people asks me for paypal account only !
     
    FadyCoder, Oct 22, 2007 IP
  15. eddy2099

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    Paypal is not the solution for you since your country is not supported.

    Like I said at the offset, use a 3rd party processor like Plimus.com who can collect the money for you include Paypal payments and they can remit the money to you via wire transfer or the Payoneer card which you can withdraw from your ATM or use as a Debit card online or in the stores.
     
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  16. spidro

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    why is that there is reason why they want to terminate your account?
     
    spidro, Oct 22, 2007 IP
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    before do that ask it from paypal
    if its a personal account it will get limited 100% after 1st payment
     
    Western, Oct 22, 2007 IP
  18. FadyCoder

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    I decided to use Plimus.com , but Iam still not happy :(
    I don't know why paypal doesn't like to support Egypt !

    Thanks for all your replies ..
     
    FadyCoder, Oct 23, 2007 IP
  19. Krichton

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    Because of your IP address expect your friend's account to be immediately limited if you log into it.
     
    Krichton, Oct 23, 2007 IP