Syria and Iran Developing Nuclear and Chemical Weapons and Delivery Systems

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    Secret services say Iran is trying to assemble a nuclear missile
    The Iranian government has been successfully scouring Europe for the sophisticated equipment needed to develop a nuclear bomb, according to the latest western intelligence assessment of the country's weapons programs. Scientists in Tehran are also shopping for parts for a ballistic missile capable of reaching Europe, with "import requests and acquisitions ... registered almost daily", the report seen by the Guardian concludes.
    Unclassified Report to Congress on the Acquisition of Technology relating to Weapons of Mass Destruction and Advanced Conventional Munitions
    On 13 May 2006, a de-classified report to the U.S. Congress on the acquisition of technology relating to weapons of mass destruction and advanced conventional munitions for the period 1 January to 31 December 2004 indicates that in 2004, Syria "continued to seek help from abroad to establish a solid-propellant rocket motor development and production capability." The report further states that Syria's "liquid-propellant missile program continued to depend on essential foreign equipment and assistance--primarily from North Korean entities," and that "Syria was developing longer range missile programs, such as the Scud D and possibly other variants with assistance from North Korea and Iran."
    U.S. seeks asset freeze on Syrian entities linked to WMD development
    "Syria is using official government organizations to develop nonconventional weapons and the missiles to deliver them," Stuart Levey, Treasury's undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, said in a statement. "We will continue to take action to prevent such state-sponsored WMD proliferators from using the international financial system."
    Dozens died in Syria-Iran missile test
    Proof of cooperation between Iran and Syria in the proliferation and development of weapons of mass destruction was brought to light Monday in Jane's Defence Weekly, which reported that dozens of Iranian engineers and 15 Syrian officers were killed in a July 23 accident in Syria.

    According to the report, cited by Channel 10, the joint Syrian-Iranian team was attempting to mount a chemical warhead on a Scud missile when the explosion occurred, spreading lethal chemical agents, including sarin nerve gas.

    Taken together, this is pretty damning evidence that Syria and Iran are seeking to acquire/develop both chemical and nuclear weapons -- and systems to deliver them to U.S. allies such as Israel, Iraq, Turkey, and the many nations of Europe.
     
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    AGS Notable Member

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    I cannot see your posts because I have you on permanent ignore but allow me to reply to your thread title:

    All I will say about that is GOOD. (If it were to be true, but it isn't because it sounds to me like more scare tactics to keep the Sheeeeeeeeeeeeple in line.)

    If more countries in the Middle East had nuke capabilities then that would act as a deterrent and prevent the puppet Bush and the rest of the crazy neocon scumbags from taking over and ruining even more countries when they have absolutely no right to do so.

    No point replying because I will not read your post but I thought I would reply to your post because of its sensationalistic headline. ;)
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    Let them make whatever they want! That will get their defense on higher level and everyone will actually think twice before screwing with those countries.

    I don't think they need these kind of weapons but let's be honest they have every right to own those if they can make such weapons.

    They will not use it since they know they would be nuked back in 5 minutes and be destroyed forever......it will be just to hold off other from screwing with them .....
     
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    iul Well-Known Member

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    any country has the right to do so
     
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    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    Do you ever watch the news??? What "perceived" enemy does Iran have? You know which nation Iran said should be wiped off the map. Or Syria that's helping Hezbollah. Don't Jews matter?
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    I wonder which news you watch:rolleyes:. I guess war ships stationed 5km from your border cannot be perceived as a threat. As a threat also daily, constant pressure cannot be perceived as a threat ? As a threat cannot be perceived history of attacking countries without any reason whatsoever(or a stupid humanitarian one).

    What helping are you talking about ? Maybe helping Saddam go after Iran ? Or helping Osama go after russians ? Or what. ssshiiisshhh

    Any country has the right to own whatever they want. They are independent and there can be no double rules for ones that can and the others that cannot. I know you cannot understand this since you fell superior but guess democracy and globalisation is slowly punching back and you can do nothing about :D

    Now go cry in the corner how crazy iranians want to have what already dozen of countries own ....
     
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  7. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    Apparently not to our European friends above.

    It appears that they believe that hostile authoritarian regimes are morally equivalent to peaceful democratic governments.
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    Will I don't want anyone own such weapons but please understand if french or americans can have and even russians and pakistan ... etc I don't see any reason why Iran can't.
    To tell you the truth I think iranians are nowhere near developing such weapons...not to talk about Syria :rolleyes:

    They will own it only if french or russians give it to them in next 10 years. And then it would not be fair to judge iranians don't you think ? Of course french and russkies are a little more powerful and we don't want to fight with them :D

    Like I said. Even if they get those weapons they will never use it since they would be "erased" in 5 minutes
     
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    You can call it that but experience show that Iranian army didn't go out of their border while on the other side others did.

    You know it is nice when you are democratic at home and that is then the reason why you allow yourself to be hostile and agressive to the outside world...
     
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    I am not sure what part of the world you live in but I am what do you call it?? Oh yeah: a realist. In Heaven I will not have to lock my door and be afraid of being robbed or you name it.
    However, down here in the reality realm I teach my kids not to play with electricity, to watch out for speeding cars, to not watch certain movies, to not do drugs. I also teach them to be careful who they choose as friends.
    There are things I believe everyone should have a healthy fear of. When it comes to the Iranians and the other followers of the religion of peace I must be honest and say I am dead scared of them. I sure wouldn't consider them "the same" or as safe, or as trustworthy as everyone else.
     
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    You are what I call ignorant american ;)

    Man do you really think we "the rest who don't agree with your point of view" don't know shit, are uneducated and live in caves ?
    About locking the doors and that ... have you seen any world actually ?
    Have you been to any country that practices what you call "religion of peace" like Tunisia, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan ? You are talking out of your ass man ....
    You teach your kids not to do that and this and that and yet you have one of the highest rate of criminal and drug use in the world. It must be good what you are doing ....

    Keep enjoying life beign scared of iranians :rolleyes: :D
     
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    I actually lived in Europe in a communist country. The prayer most uttered in the communist jails was: "When are the Americans coming?" What gave hope to a lot of people was the fact that one day the Americans would come. And of course there were a lot of us hoping to make it to the USA. Even now I don't live in USA.

    You used Turkey as an example. Are you aware that Turkey has a very strong alliance with Israel? Turkey DOES NOT have an alliance with any other muslim nation. You know why??? Because Turkey does NOT trust their own muslim brothers. And you want me to trust these followers of the religion of peace?

    Have you heard of the ottoman empire??? My folks were under Turkish rule for centuries. Not far from where I lived we still have a Turkish cemetery. And if there is something I learned from history is to be very aware of who my enemies are and prepare to face them cause as sure as day light they will bother me sooner or later. And my responsibility is to make sure I protect my own family and my folks.
     
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    So what are you trying to say ? As I know balkan countries were pretty competent in defeating turks and kind of helped destroy the ottoman empire ...

    So what now ... are turks bad or good guys ? :D

    The whole balkans was under turkish rule for centuries and I don't see them afraid of turks. Turks kind of showed they don't know how to fight even if there are 3x numbers .... Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians kind of threw them out of europe .... nothing to be afraid ... if they come again we will throw them out again. Isn't that why americans are present on the balkans ? ... or is it the humanitarian reason :D
     
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    What I am saying is that Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania didn't form an empire to take over Turkey for example. I am saying there are differences between the countries and their leaders that are on this place called Earth. Some frighten me more than others.
    I believe having my guard on is always the better option. For example when a president of a country calls for wping off the map the inhabitants of another country, let me tell you: I don't take that as a joke and I will not start wondering whether he means it or not. I just get prepared. What't that saying: the best defence is attack.
     
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    judetheobscure Peon

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    dude the best defence is not attack. and even iran and syria are only arming themselves in order to deter possible attacks, not to launch them.
    after what happened in afghanistan and iraq it is hardly any wonder that iran and syria, both on the west's hit list, have decided to arm themselves to the teeth.
    lots of countries have arsenals of chemical/biological weapons and a nuclear capability, we don't like it, but we can't do anything about it, and that is exactly why they have such weaponry, so that we can't do anything.
    it is stalemate.
    nobody is going to attack because even iran knows that is not it's best line of defence, to attack would be national suicide, and they might condone suicide bombers but the government has no intention of going down with their ship!
     
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    proteindude do you believe Iran want to have their country destroyed? Because that's what's going to happen if they use nukes against another country. The nukes are a way of discouraging other countries from attacking them

    actually translators have said over and over again that it was a mistranslation and ahmadinewhatever called for the ending of the Israeli regime...which is quite differently from saying they want the inhabitants of a country destroyed

    that's probably because of our lack of organisation
     
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    Iran is run by psychopats if you want my real opinion. I happen to live in the real world and as such I like to make reality based decisions. I am so scared of these Iranians and I sure as heck wouldn't even want to think what could be if they had nuclear weapons.

    Translators said.....What's the matter with you??? Are you listening to what you're saying? You are defending Iran? These are the dudes that took over the American embassy, are the same dudes that forge alliances with Russia. Imagine if you were a Jew. No you couldn't possibly imagine what would mean for a Jew to know that Iran had nuclear weapons. This is a very scary thought. No wonder even France won't accept a nuclear Iran.
     
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    iul Well-Known Member

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    ok, so you say they are run by psychopats. My question was if you think they want their country and their population to be destroyed. Can you answer that?

    isn't the truth important? isn't important what the man actually said?

    so, forging an alliance with Russia is evil or something? And again, why would a jew be frightened by Iran having nukes considering the fact that ahmadinejad didn't actually call for the destruction of Israel
     
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    You can defeat Iran with a lot of liberal reasoning. Don't the Iranians want to live in peace? Don't the Iranians want a future for their kids? Don't the Iranians want a good education for their kids, etc, etc? Of course you will find reasons to defend Iran. Listen, even the devil tells the truth sometimes. If the devil told lies always, no one would believe him.

    The deal is you must be able to deceive your enemy and that is what Iran is doing and has been constantly doing. It's when you come up with questions like that that I realise your age of reasoning is not exactly advanced. You may sincerely want to believe Iran would do no harm but that's how communism also started out. Good intentions and evil plans. And then in 50 years communism killed more people (own people) than all the religious wars combined together.

    So while you go on ranting about how peaceful the Iranians would be and there is nothing evil about Russia remember how many of its own people Russia killed. Hard for you to understand communism and reality when you didn't have to live with it. Next you'll tell me that Islam truly is the religion of peace.
     
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    I've asked you two times so far and yet you refuse to answer: Do you believe that the iranians want their country and their population to be destroyed? Because that's what's going to happen if they use nukes against another country. And no, I don't "want" to sincerely believe they woud do no harm but looking at history and seeing that whenever two opposite sides both got nukes there wasn't any major conflict between them and none ever used their nukes because that would cause the total anihilation of both sides I am entitled to believe that would also be the case between Iran and Israel

    Should we judge all countryes by their past and not by their present? Is making an alliance with Germany also an evil thing because they killed a lot of people during ww2?
     
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