To accept or not to accept?

Discussion in 'Directories' started by workshop, Oct 16, 2007.

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Would you accept this site http://www.counterstop.com

  1. Yes

    30 vote(s)
    78.9%
  2. No

    8 vote(s)
    21.1%
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  1. jetbrains

    jetbrains Well-Known Member

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    #21
    I would accept this site, not sure what is the problem with site? It looks nice.
     
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  2. MrS

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    #22
    You can accept the first one without problems.
     
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    #23
    @workshop

    I think your poll is fairly decisive, then again , its up to you to accept or reject the collective wisdom of your respondents

    The site's owners are not paragons of altruistic virture, they are simply folk who want to earn a living, their site is not the best, but it does what is says on the label

    Anyways, if they come my way ,,, :)
     
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  4. The Pheonix

    The Pheonix Banned

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    #24
    Rather nicely put, if they came my way I'd have no worries of giving them a good review, they seem to have thier house in order and no black hat being used. We go one further on sites like this and phone them up for legitimacy, its just one of the extra's we like to offer, they are who they say they are which is important. :)
     
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  5. malcolm1

    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #25
    ohhhh so your the smart ass calling me while im trying to have diner with my family :eek:

    I thought i got rid of you dam telemarketers a few years ago :p

    laterz
    malcolm1
     
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  6. workshop

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    #26
    Its fine for a general directory but I certainly wouldn't list it on any site that we are developing as a quality resource. What interested me was the fact that someone with relatively little experience picked it out and more importantly asked a question. That's something we should encourage and the its the sort of guidance we should be offering emerging directory masters.

    I assume its run and owned by internet marketing types who are broking for the service providers they list. Its shop window that as been positioned to lure and solicit leads and it raises the question of how one should deal with sites selling affiliate goods and services? Particularly in the travel industry.
     
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  7. The Pheonix

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    #27
    LMAO; nope, I'm the heavy breather. :D
     
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    CReed Prominent Member

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    #28
    Affiliate site acceptance is usually a personal choice - some don't mind listing them and others are opposed.
     
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    #29
    I'm in a bit of a quandary over this site. It definitely sets off my scam warnings. There's no information about the companies listed (at least for NC) despite their being a column for it. The language on the site appears to be written by a non-native English speaker. There is a set of keyword links on the bottom of every page that points back to the homepage - while not black hat, surely shades of gray. The meta tags are within the 'rules' but just barely.

    It just smells wrong. I would be surprised if the companies listed on this site even know they are. My guess is the entire site is designed to 'find' customers and then blackmail the company to get the name. It might be interesting to contact a company or two and see if they have agreed to work with this company/site.
     
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    #30
    Rather than wonder what the odor is, has anyone contacted them and made an inquiry about their business model or services offered to both the consumer and contractor?

    Their contact details are available on the site.

    FYI: Related sites:

    fabricatorforum.info
    stonematrix.com
    countertopmatrix.com
    amstonefab.com - (no longer active site)
     
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    Dam i thought that was my one off my crazy x girlfriends from high school just stocking me :D

    ahhhhhhh the good ole days! where have they gone

    thx
    malcolm
     
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  12. The Pheonix

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    #32
    Follow up was http://whois.domaintools.com/counterstop.com Hmm, the plot thickens.
     
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    #33
    It's a nice website.
     
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  14. workshop

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    #34
    Divergent views are important if one is genuinely looking for solutions. Just as it is important to encourage directory masters to err on the side of caution. Particularly when charging to review sites that are being submitted for a listing.
    A question that also gets me all a flutter. The way I see it, this is the difference between a general listing and a quality resource and I don't see that distinction being made in this industry.

    I am not saying that a general listing should accept all the in betweens irrespective of purpose. What I am saying is that a general listing could be seen to apply a far less rigorous set of values and acceptance standards. Its the tendency to misuse and abuse of the word quality I don't like.
     
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    #35
    Everyone has a different point of view. Who are you to question how anyone makes a distinction between what they feel may be acceptable or not?

    Are you the one who's been preaching integrity to others around here? Do you understand the basic concept?

    So I take it since not everyone shares your views on quality, they're all wrong?

    Or is it "Do as I say and not as I do?"
     
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    #36
    Is this site listed in dmoz? Wondering if they would accept it as it would show their level of review.
     
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  17. workshop

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    #37
    No need get crabby. Besides the fact that I believe its important that the directory masters who are working with us get a different perspective on these sort of issues there are just so many "quality" directories to choose from, even I get confused. Do you believe its unreasonable to expect anyone claiming special status to account publicly and justify the inclusion of any questionable content in their directories? Do you accept submissions from affiliate marketing sites?
     
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    #38
    My instant reaction was to reject this, but after further inspection I like that fact that they have contact information with address, so in the end I think I would accept it.

    I would not accept this site. These all seem like scams to me.

    Just my 2 cents...:)
    Chris
     
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    #39
    Please tell me why any directory owner should be accountable to you or anyone else or have to justify the addition of any listing within their index?

    It's really simple - if you don't like the index or question the quality, don't use the directory or their services and move on already. I'm sure you can judge for yourself whether or not its a quality index.

    But to expect another to uphold to someone else's standards or justify the addition of any listing is absurd for someone who's interested in selling links in some of the directories you own.

    You bemoan about others whom have directories that lack content and boast about the niche directories you're helping to create, yet when I review one of your many travel directories, I see you've been able to add an average of 2.5 listings per month in the almost 2 years your directory has supposedly been around?

    I'm not sure why you'd need more than one travel directory; you seem to be having a difficult enough of a time creating one useful resource. Unless it's just a part of your own network that you use to sell the 200 links (I think that's the number you mentioned) with a replacement warranty?

    But seeing as you're the accountable type of guy; can I ask you how you honestly question anyone else's integrity when you seem to take pride in offering your visitors quality listings with such rich content as that offered on new-york-rooms.com?

    On second thought, spare me any more of the BS.

    I especially like the discussion forums. Rich, definitely rich.
     
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  20. workshop

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    #40
    So irrespective of what sort of content they may be listing any directory master can claim "special" or "quality" status and you will go along with that. I also take it that you are "one of many" who dont believe Google has any problems with those self same directories selling links for the PR they pass and that we can just continue bullshi*ing each other that they are just tweaking their peat.
    Not one of our sites. If you are going to ask questions, ask questions. Dont try scoring cheap points. I am not going to tuck my tail between my legs and crawl into a hole like some. Nor am I going to raise the dead to shout you down, belittle and insult you. Finally unlike most I dont have anything to hide. Our users in the short term are the search engine spiders and web masters looking for quality links that have a long term value. I admit this. I recognise that we work for Google and thats why we will only accept what we consider to be user friendly sites. It takes time to train a diectory master and thats what we are doing. But its absolutely essential to get them thinking right, right from the start. Then once they are ready, they will train the next trainer and thats how we work and thats how we will grow.
    I suppose its a cultural thing. If somoeone is operating in the public domain and is deliberately misrepresenting the value of the goods and services they are offering I would expect them to be held publicly accountable. But whatever flats your boat.
     
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