A question to google and thoughts about PageRank.

Discussion in 'Google' started by tatrasim, Oct 16, 2007.

  1. #1
    A question to google:
    As far as I know, webmasters are getting punished for paid links.
    What about Adsense? Aren't those links paid also.
    I doubt... As far as I understand now, they only affect links that influence pagerank. So, if I will buy a paid post on some blog, I don't think I will get in trouble even if I will have link to my site in it, will I? So, there is still a way to raise your pr...
    However, I am curious if popups will influence the pr? Are we going to see more popups on the web now since people will be afraid of paid links? :(
    Another question - who is getting punished, link sellers or link buyers? If link buyers will get punished, what would happen if people would place links that point to google right next to sold links? Will it negatively affect google's PR? :)
    So, if webmasters will mix the links they sell with the links to favorite websites like google for instance, how would PR know which ones webmaster sold?
    At last, as far as I understand, if you sell a link that has a nofollow attribute, you are not getting punished, right?
    2 Somebody from google: can you give webmaster community more info?
     
    tatrasim, Oct 16, 2007 IP
  2. 2mymall

    2mymall Peon

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    #2
    Think for starters, only sellers are getting punished as buyers only go for sellers with high page rank. Google is not happy as this indirectly affects their adwords so they reduce the sellers pagerank.
     
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  3. tatrasim

    tatrasim Peon

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    #3
    Well, google indirectly affects live.com for example. Do you think it would be fair if microsoft would ban google in IE? :)
    I am sure google was not happy when China banned them as they indirectly affected baidu. Yet, they are doing the same thing.
     
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  4. trichnosis

    trichnosis Prominent Member

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    #4
    adsense links will not effect your seo.

    google is angry buying links which is going effect its search results
     
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  5. agrawat

    agrawat Banned

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    #5
    Adsense links are in javascript so that are not consider as other solid link that's why they are not effect your page rank or ranking.
     
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    Freewebspace Notable Member

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    #6
    If Google is a superior Search engine then they should not worry about paid links to affect the quality of results,but it is just a another search engine.
     
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  7. story97

    story97 Peon

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    #7
    They are superior because they're proactive and manage the problem when it arrives.

    How does it work proactively? by telling everyone you will be removed from the index if you sell links on your site.

    I mean you do have an option. Request your domain removed by their index and use yahoo or another search engine. There's no restrictions saying you need to use Google.
     
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    qazu Well-Known Member

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    #8
    Why are you asking Google questions here? Last time I looked, this was'nt Google's site! :confused:

    The whole idea of SEO is to manipulate search results. Making your site Search Engine friendly is one thing but off page SEO is another. There is not way Google will make SEO and webmaster's job easier by telling them how thier algorithm works.
     
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  9. story97

    story97 Peon

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    #9
    I'm no sceintist but my guess is he's asking the google question here because the forum is labled "google" and the description is

    Google (55 Viewing)
    THE search engine. This is for discussion about Google as a company, not for discussion of individual sites (SEO, PageRank for a site or "why a site ranks where it does" questions) or Google search results.


    But i'm just guessing.,
     
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  10. tatrasim

    tatrasim Peon

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    Maybe someone would notice it here, since I posted a comment on Matt's blog wanting to know if google is doing it for the reason that AdSense sees big earnings decrease because of text link selling companies, and my post got deleted. :(
     
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  11. Alexander the Great

    Alexander the Great Peon

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    #11
    Apparently what you think you know, you merely guessed wrong at.

    AdSense doesn't pass any PR or link juice or whatever you'd like to call it. Google hasn't told anyone not to sell links, they've only warned against allowing your link sales to pass on ranking power. They've told you how to do this, either by using rel="nofollow" or by creating the link with javascript or by using a page on your site to redirect to the target site. Google takes their own advice in how AdSense links to advertisers.

    This is much ado about nothing.
     
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  12. rainborick

    rainborick Well-Known Member

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    #12
    Text link ads are actually a violation of the guidelines of all of the major search engines to one degree or another. Its just that Google has been the most vocal about the issue and as the biggest search engine, it naturally attracts the most criticism. That said, the issue of text link ads is only connected to Google's ad sales insofar as the text link ads reduce the quality of their search results which might eventually lead to less traffic to their search engine and in that way it would reduce their ad sales. It is not because text link ads are a direct competitor to AdWords/AdSense sales. None of the major search engines care if you sell ads that don't influence their search results. This is why they recommend the use of things like rel="nofollow" or JavaScript links in ads. Its maintaining the quality of their search results that's the primary focus in this issue.
     
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  13. tatrasim

    tatrasim Peon

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    #13
    How do text link ads reduce the quality? Would you advertise your website about cars with a link that says "table tennis"? Mostly the ads are related, and if someone buys links means that they pay more attention to success of their website.
    As for text link ads, I think it is one of the biggest competitors. On some sites when adsense generates $20 a month, text links sales generate $100. That tells us something.
    However, I guess it can be better in some way. We'll see what will come out of it.
    I'd like search to be better, but I wish google would at least warn of what to expect and when :)
     
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  14. cristalron

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    #14
    Thats the first time i hear this..
    could someone give me a reliable source to this information :confused:
    Iv checked google webmaster tools blog etc but couldn't find it... not that i checked all of the pages do.

    :eek: it just doesn't make sense to me.... paid links :confused: .... how would a crawler (google bot) know that.... it cant :p

    example situation: a friend of my with a website with relative content puts a link to my page on his site.......a guy i don't know i pay 10$ to put a link on his site which has relative content........ whats the difference to a robot ?????

    Maybe im completely losing the point here.. if so please explain
     
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  15. thegypsy

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    #15
    Here is a ton of coverage on Google and Paid Links
     
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  16. cristalron

    cristalron Peon

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    #16
    Thanks for the links :D

    Unfortunatly the more i read the more unclear it becomes to me.

    Quote: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35291
    The last thing here is what worry´s me the most.....
    So a 3th party or the competition could do this to get your site removed from google :confused: ( guess the real question here is: what do they define as on your behalf )
     
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  17. konidig

    konidig Peon

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    #17
    Doesn't anyone believe what is being said about PAGE RANK being dropped? Did you read this article here:

    http://www.anthonyjudelawrence.com/breaking-news-goodbye-google-pagerank-hello-google-pagerate/


    I believe it as Google has warned about penalizing the use of paid links for awhile. Why do you think so many web directories are now coming up for sale? Smart people are dumping them now for soon they will lose a lot, if not most of their value. My humble opinion.... PAGE RATE is coming!
     
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