The issue of Socialized Medicine has been in debate recently in the United States because of a few of the Democratic Presidential Candidates coming out with their plans for revamping the current private health care system of the US into a socialized medicine plan. However, everyone should know that it doesn't work. France, Canada, and Great Britain are just 3 examples of socialized medicine countries and we have seen how it has worked out for them. Here's the Reality: Hundreds of thousands of people die each year in those countries because of the socialized medicine/health care systems. Not only do people die waiting for urgent surgeries and treatments, but the quality of care and cleanliness of doctor's offices and hospitals are not adequate at all! What do you think about socialized medicine and would it be good for the United States?
We can't afford it. We'll end up paying for it through inflation, as the currency is devalued to create more debt.
do you have any sources to back your claims? And if what you're saying is true then why is the healthcare system in France considered to be the best in the world?
What works for one country does not necessarily work for another. One big difference in America is our size and population. Also, you don't have the bureaucracy of America that fails to get many things done.
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I was thinking of this as well, as this doesn't square with anything I know. I have lived and travelled regularly in Europe, and have many French and UK friends. The french amis, particularly: as prone as they are to bitch about things (I am French blooded, and love my French pals - for their gallic peevishness), they are damned proud - and justifiably so - of their healthcare system. The same has been the case for my UK friends, who simply don't get our poor state of affairs in this regard. I'd like to see some sources and data, iul. Do you have them?
Because whoever considers it to be the best in the world is delusional. The best in the world is probably India, and I'd say Mexico is #2 Free market beats socialism hands down.
http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-44.htmlhttp://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-44.html so the World Health Organisation is delusional? Do you have any sources to support your claims about India and Mexico? so the firemen department should be closed down because it's socialised? How about public schools? Also, if the free market is better than "socialism" when it comes to healthcare why does the US citizens have shorter life expectancy than countryes like Canada, France, UK even though you spend much more money for it?
Free market...if you really want to fix the costs, do away with trial lawyers like John Edwards who sue for big bucks...thats the real problem, and the reason that Malpractice Insurance is out the wazu for doctors.
Hahaha - sorry, IUL, I meant I agreed with you and meant to ask the original poster for data. Thanks, though, for the link. It isn't opening for me - what is it?
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This doesn't square at all with what I know. I have lived through far too many injuries as a part of my lifestyle. My personal experience is that in the States, insurance companies have mandated physician care to such an extent that all that matters is billing - turn and burn, in order for them to be within insurance-provider dictated billing protocols. In the states, I may get in, but I get a physician who believes 30 seconds and a speed-chess style diagnosis is dallying, because Big Insurance Concern is telling that physician to move on and grab some more billables. Of course, we can all argue sources. You either accept or reject the World Health Organization and Commonwealth assessments. However, the U.S. holds the honor of being one of 3 OECD countries without universal coverage, along with Turkey and Mexico. If you do take a look at the World Health Organization and the Commonwealth Fund's extensive studies, both have panned our system, along several concrete indicators of health and health care. In the 2000 WHO study, for example, the U.S. ranked 37th out of member states, while Canada ranked 30th, the U.K. ranked 18th, and France ranked 1st. If "bureaucratic quagmire" was the problem as it is being presented, why are our private dollars being flushed so uselessly down the toilet, as it seems to me they are? I would argue that it is a matter of priority. In the U.S., we see tax as anathema, to the point of ruin, in my opinion. In France, taxes are seen as an equitable tradeoff for a superlative health care and education system. It is a matter of choice, of course. I, personally, support universal coverage.
No, they are not delusional, they know what they are doing and are distributing drug industry propaganda on purpose. WHO was fathered and is partially funded by the drug industry, it would be ok to think of them as one and the same for simplicity sake That would be nice. Government services always cost an arm and a leg and are of inferior quality. Legalizing free market would fix the problem 9 times out of 10. Government relies on banning competitors to defend it's market share, not on providing good customer service or competitive pricing. Privately operated fire dept. would cost a fraction of what it does. It's ridiculous what they charge taxpayer. Same for public schools, they cost 100% more than private schools because half of the money is wasted on so called 'administrative expenses'. That doesn't include cost of supporting all the welfare recipients and criminals that public schools graduate. It would be nice if we went back to work and do things the American way, rather than repeating somebody else's failed experiments
We also need to consider the fact that profit in the free market is what drives new technological advances in medicine. The pharmaceutical and other types of medically related companies are not likely to work near as hard when they are receiving steady government money regardless if they continue to advance new cures/treatments. I just smell another bureaucratic bottomless pit but it's par for the course with these socialist policies. They always short-change the future. With socialist medicine the political rhetoric will just get nastier. We'll have parties campaigning on the ability to physically save our lives.
I'll put this simply. Socialized welfare, healthcare, education etc are not "free". Someone is paying the bill. People need to get out of this mindset that the government are our parents, and they should provide everything for us. The government cannot give you more than you can give yourself, not without taking it from another citizen. And that my friends is communism.
Your right someone is paying the bill. They people that are well off are helping the guys that are less well off. Just like those brave fighterfighters you got there. They are not free either. Although, firefighters wear red, I can assure their not communist. ^_^ If you can do that with your education system, firefighters, police, Liabaries, I don't see why healthcare has to be out of the question. You say that You mentioned that your country couldn't afford it too right, well maybe if they cut down a bit on those miltary spendings and sending people to die and kill other people. You just may be able to save a few more people instead of killing if it was through in healthcare.
http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-44.html it's a world health organisation report....I don't know how I messed up the last link you haven't showed me the sources about your claims about India and Mexico and again you're already making claims without having any sources? Why would the drug industry want socialised medicine? What's in it for them? Wouldn't they alsoo sell their products in a free market system? right, but what if you can't afford to pay for the private fire department? What if you can't afford to pay for the private school for your children?
Funny, have you ever checked on reality. There are international hygienic guidelines which are kept even in most of the third world countries. Health care is a human right and must be accessible for everyone. Unfortunately it's getting to much artificially inflated in many European countries, but it still works for the benefit of all.
You are talking nonsense. Please back up that statement with numbers or anything else from official sources. Tell me why the US people should have a private health care where chronic ill people cannot afford medicines. I feel sorry for the 50 million people in the US that will not get a good medical treatment if they get ill. Liberals will say that the it is that 50 million peoples responsibility to earn enough to pay. Yeah right, tell that to a poor guy that cant work because he is sick.