8 year old girl murdered when going to restroom in shop.

But I think that's where we have to be very clear, Will. I class pedophilia in a world by itself. Someone tried and convicted of it has no further right to live among us, in my ethos. Absent this, I damn well want to know where he lives.

Now, I loathe our society's litigative bent - and your friend's example is one of many. But this cannot conflate the very real issue of the pedophilic subhumans that live among us. I have seen these assholes - two live within 2 blocks of my home. They are real, and, justly, they are watched.

Sorry, didn't catch your edit until after. This is the point - they cannot "reform." There is ample evidence out there that indicates these assholes are simply and irrevocably incorrigible. I'd rather they be sent to an offshore penal colony, personally. But if they are to live among us, I believe, they must be constrained by every means possible.

 

Then please, let's put them down mercifully, the way we would put down a sick puppy.

 

I think that the laws need to be reclassified.

Basically... raping adults or children should be a nice prick in the arm, or a few thousand volts, if convicted with undeniable DNA evidence and no reasonable doubt. No need for lists.

Now what about a man who yells at his wife... and is accused...? Poppycock - it should happen just the same to the women that yell at their husbands - or not at all (I.E. Verbal Abuse remains a crime, but not something that can cause you to lose everything... obviously). Physical violence should always be punished (if conclusively proven [not cases where one adult basically hurts themselves to get their partner sent down the river]).

Lists? Who needs lists when you have no one to put on the lists.

 

For all parties concerned.

 

Question for those who think publishing the pics of pedophiles is a travesty of justice. Is this, then, wrong, or will it help prevent other boys from having their lives destroyed?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21307230/?GT1=10450

 

hey, if you're doin' a manhunt for a pedo - I say give everyone a copy of his picture and offer a reward.

 

Wait... Alert! Two different issues getting mixed up here!

Publishing the pics of wanted fugitives is one thing.

Publishing the pics of people who have served their time and "paid their debt to society" is a different thing.

 

I'd agree with you, Will, and an astute observation, except that the recividism rate is such that they are quite likely to do it again.

But this wasn't actually my question - mine was a literal question, though it was leading and my opinion is obvious. Is posting this guy's image inherently wrong? I'm simply curious where the boundary line is, for those who have a problem with the posting of offenders' mugs: is it also wrong to post someone's pic, on the basis of allegations?

Now, how 'bout that Malthusian boundary?

 

I support the Soylent Green Solution

 

I can only speak for my understanding of the underpinnings of common law and western civilization, but here goes.

No. This is not wrong. You are not saying "This person is a child molester." You are saying "This person is a suspected child molester who the authorities are seeking for questioning."

He's still innocent until proven guilty, and if he has any sense he'll turn himself in before he ends up in a shallow grave somewhere in the Thai rain forest.

 

I agree. We should exterminate them right away, on the spot. So no need to spend money on a list.
But when I said that, people say I'm sick...that I should " Forgive thy Neighbor..."...

 

Can't you forgive them after the execution?

 

Guys, these aren't victims who deserve shelter from the public storm. These "short-eyes" are a matter of public domain. They gave up their right to anonymity the minute they were convicted. Their faces are a matter of public record.

 

Bloodrocution would be good...

 

I agree, Dead, absolutely. Given the hue and cry raised early in the thread about their "civil rights" relative to the offender lists now available, I really did want to see what some felt about the public pursuit of this charmer (caught in explicit video, let's remember, committing the crimes); whether this, too, was an affront to civilization.

I agree with Will in that these are two separate issues. But given the offense, and the likelihood of their being committed again if given the slightest opportunity, I come to the same conclusion under both circumstances: publish the pictures, and make them known.

 

How about this "citizen"?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21315592/

The victim he raped was a 3-year old girl. He apparently also fled from a 2003 incident, involving a little girl, and a 2001 incident, another little girl, is also under investigation.

If his picture was in place back in 2003, would he have raped a 3-year old kid?

My blood rises, and the only thing that prevents me from ending one of them with my own hands is the law, and the love of my son.

 

Always follow Heinlein's Eleventh Commandment.

 

Afraid I'm into history, political and social theory, and fiction on the order of folks like John Fowles, William Golding, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Virginia Woolf, and many others. Ah. hell, who else is there? Lawrence Durrell, Claire de Duras, James Joyce, Thomas Hardy, Emile Zola, John Banville, John Gardner, John Irving, Daniel Defoe, Jane Austen, George Orwell, Henry James, Marion Zimmer Bradley, Steven Pressfield, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Orwell, Thoreau, Sartre, Camus, Dickens, Alain-Fournier, Joaquim Maria Machado de Assis (say it 5x, fast), Melville, Thomas Mann, Julien Gracq, and many others now in storage I can't recall at the moment...any fans? Maybe a thread on favorite authors would be more pleasant...

Anyway, I admit I am abysmally lacking in good, deep sci-fi.** Nevertheless, I see Heinlein's 11th is in essence, "don't get caught." Which is to say, were we to stand by this, we would live in a state of nature and not in "western civilization." For if "their" 11th is the motto, "don't get caught," so is mine - in feeding them into a garbage disposal. And Hobbes breaks a big smile, and the world becomes more of a sulfurous swamp than it is.

To the instant debate: regarding these subhumans, and within the law, I prefer Patton, who said it concisely and well:

And respecting this issue, I do like another Heinlein quote:

And finally, at the heart of it for me, another from Heinlein:

**Dune series was the last sci-fi I read, and that was 30+ years ago, now, as a lost kid on the run. I stayed lost, but inside the world of House Atreides, it was an empyrean trip of ecstatic vision; great stuff.

 

Soylent Brown is Pedophiles!

That'd be great prison food. Cheap too.

 

And remember, recycling is eco-friendly.