Journalists debunk Ron Paul popularity

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  1. AGS

    AGS Notable Member

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    #61
    Cheers for confirming guys.

    It wonder who had the bollocks to come up with the idea in the first place. :D
     
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  2. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #62
    Yeah, it will be cool! We can be like the Soviet Union where everyone drove around in those little black cars.

    Oh wait... in the Soviet Union only about 3% of people were allowed to own cars and the wait to get a car was about two years.

    But damnit, some sacrifices have to be made so that ferret doesn't have to see blue balls!
     
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  3. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #63

    I don't really care if people want to look like idiots, if they like the balls so much maybe they should get the package to put on there
     
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  4. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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  5. ReadyToGo

    ReadyToGo Peon

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    #65
    Are you kidding me? Executive Order 11110 shifted the power given to the president in the Thomas Amendment of the Agricultural Adjustment Act (Act of May 12, 1933 mentioned in the E.O.) to the Treasury. Secretary of the Treasury, C. Douglas Dillon, used this power to take the US off the silver standard and replaced silver certificates with Federal Reserve notes.
    Executive Order 11110 gave more power to the Fed.
     
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  6. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #66
    That's what guerilla was referring to? I thought there must have been something that I missed -- not that.

    Facts: Kennedy wrote E.O. 11,110 to phase out silver certificate currency, not to issue more of it. Records show Kennedy and the Federal Reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters. He even signed legislation to give the Fed more authority to issue currency.

    Source: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Embassy/1154/flaherty.html
     
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  7. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #67
    You've obviously had the advantage of seeing more of what goes on in Northern WI... I live on the border... Closer to Illinois, and I've never hunted. Around here, the liberals are yuppies, rich and living high off the hog.. The Conservative group seems to be people more in my age group, and far from rich...

    I guess it depends on where you live... Either way, our county is pretty much 100% Republican from the Sheriff to the Mayor's and councilmen... They can be a bit too conservative in some areas, and to be honest the Democrat mayor we had a few years ago, was the best mayor we ever had.. Unfortunately, he was also the first in our towns history to be impeached...

    Either way, the demographic in Milwaukee is, gimmie, gimmie, gimmie... If not for Thompsons work not welfare program, you and I would be involuntarily supporting the populous in Milwaukee... I for one prefer to see my tax dollars spent closer to home...

    Like I said, I've not made up my mind yet... Nothing against Paul, I just thought that when I heard him talk, having never heard him speak, he sounded a bit off... I guess I mistook passion and conviction for insanity.. Much of what I have read about him recently would seem not to support the later. However for someone who has never heard him speak... he came off a bit whacky to me....
     
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  8. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #68
    I'm actually only about 30 minutes north of milwaukee ;)
    It does depend on where you are, most everyone here is republican. Most offices don't even have a dem run for office :eek:
    There however even in the republican field are middle of the road people, those are the ones going away from Bush and away from the war ;)

    Milwaukee and Madison definitely are where the majority of the libs are at last I looked I wont dispute that. Wisconsin though has a good chunk of middle of the roaders, a reason we are so split IMO.
     
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  9. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #69
    So let's say this town of yours has 3000 people. It takes 1 Ron Paul supporter to put up a sign. I'd make a joke but I could get banned. So I'll stick with 1.

    That's 1/3000 which is 0.03%

    Which is on par for national polls.
     
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  10. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #70
    Agreed...

    I would have to say though, on the local level, I prefer democrats for mayors and a good mix on the council... On the local level, democrats tend to be a bit less liberal and more level headed.. They are not after all the goofy bs that they are on the national level..
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #71
    Several things wrong with your statement including,

    #1 The town doesn't even have 200 people.
    #2 Nobody else has a sign up in the town.
    #3 I still own my old house in that town, if me and my family still lived there it would be a minimum of another 2 people in support of Paul at this point in time.
    #4 I'm sure more support the man than just signs posted, otherwise I guess nobody else has any support in the town :rolleyes:
     
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  12. Will.Spencer

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    #72
    I've got $1,000 in my hand in ten $100 bills.

    Who wants to make an even money bet on Ron Paul as our next President?
     
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  13. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #73
    1. 1/200 is 0.5%. National polls show about that much support as well.
    2. There are millions of people in Phoenix. Only Ron Paul has signs up.
    3. 3/200 is 1.5%
    4. You should call everyone in that town and find out.

    Since only Ron Paul has signs up in Phoenix are you going to try to argue that only Ron Paul has support in Phoenix?

    Ron Paul donations are a tax for people who are bad at math.

    The mathematical error is done in the calculation of what percentage of supporters of a candidate will put up a sign for that candidate and how many signs they will put up. In 2004 Democrats could not stop insulting Republicans because according to polls, Democrats had the majority of the population. Then election came around and the silent majority voted in larger numbers than ever before.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #74
    Kalvin it is YOUR logic to break down the percents by those who have signs up, not mine ;)

    But you used it for 2 different arguments.
    On one hand you try to show Paul only has X amount of support because of the amount of signs, but then turn around to say well the other candidate doesn't have any signs up but he's got more support.

    Your own argument just argued against yourself ;)
     
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  15. KalvinB

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    #75
    No I didn't.

    Reread what you and I have posted.

    What your entire argument shows is that Ron Paul is so marginalized that you get excited about seeing a sign.
     
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  16. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #76
    Why are we arguing about the signs? Whatever percentage it is, it sounds like Grim's point was, there are NO other signs.. Just Ron Paul.
     
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  17. Will.Spencer

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    #77
    So, which one of you Paul supporters is going to put your money in my pocket? :rolleyes:
     
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  18. KalvinB

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    #78
    There are no other signs in Phoenix either. So what is the point?

    My point is that Ron Paul supporters are very good at finding "signs" that RP has a lot of support. But when real polls are conducted, he doesn't. It's all an illusion created when RP supporters have the ability to mobilize a lot of themselves into a pool of a small number of people for the purpose of filling out polls and surveys.

    That doesn't work at election time. The 1000 people who vote for RP in Des Moines Iowa can't drive to another city to vote there as well. The 1000 people in Des Moines and 10000 people in Sacramento can vote in an on-line or call-in poll conducted in New York that only 20,000 other people knew about.
     
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    #79
    When I went to the Doctor's office this morning, I saw a Thompson sign -- and no other signs.

    Does that mean that Denver is going to vote for Fred Thompson?

    Nah... Denver is a welfare city. It's all going Clinton!
     
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    #80
    We've played this game before, and the Fed apologist usually loses...

    I'll lead you to the gallows again...

    Are you saying that this Executive Order does not grant power to issue Silver Certificates?
     
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