Patriot Act vs. Constitution

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by login, Oct 14, 2007.

  1. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #21
    I'm still free, nothing the government has done has a affected me, i still do everything that i used to do & have encountered no problems doing so, the ones facing problems are the ones who caused the measures to be put in place in the first place.

    That's exactly what i'm saying; 'why give them what they want?', increased security measures mess their plans up & puts them away for years, what they actually want is to have freedom to blow anything up they like, that's not the freedom i admire.

    What exactly are you less free to do? can't you get on a plane anymore? go shopping? come on DP?
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #22
    Any freedom, anything that goes against the constitution is being less free. If it personally effects you or not is not the point.

    Privacy, ....

    Just because you personally are able to do your day to day functions does not equate to being less free.

    You are giving them what they want when they 'hate us' for our freedoms and you take away freedoms given to us by our constitution. The argument of 'but, but, but we are trying to get in their way' doesn't work as we gave them exactly what our elected officials claim they hate us for.

    Freedoms, what our constitution is based upon is far more important than the possibility of being a bit safer.

    I mean WTF are we seriously a country full of pussies that we will roll over and die, give up everything our founding fathers fought for simply to be a bit more safe? Especially when the chance of a terrorist killing you is next to nothing in the first place.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #23
    LOL. Sweet and simple truth. :D

    This is one of the mysteries in life that I can't figure it out. What happened to Americans, how did a nation of proud and self confident people became such a yellow bellies, afraid of their own Shadows? :confused:
     
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    soniqhost.com Notable Member

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    #24
    A dirty bomb or a chemical bomb would effect hundreds of thousands of people if exploded in a majority city. I'll gladly give up some freedoms to protect 300,000 people I'm sure that the people that died on 9-11 would of gave up some of their freedoms to just to go home and see their families that night.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #25
    While the chance of such bomb is theoretical and government has nothing to back it up or show that unpatriotic act in anyway can help to stop such a terrorist action, we can with certainty claim that the destruction of freedom and rights granted to Americans by the U.S. Constitution will effect the life of 300,000,000 people on daily basis.
     
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    gemini181 Well-Known Member

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    #26
    I'm convinced.
    Now what freedom loving human could possibly argue against these points?
    • and why???
     
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    gemini181 Well-Known Member

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    #27
    1. I will provide an honest, substantial answer
    2. This is only ONE of many ways to answer your question
    3. Will you deal with the evidence in an honest and fair manner??

    What exactly are you less free to do?

    Please, take 1 minute and 45 seconds to learn something important which will affect the life and safety of your kids, and future grandchildren.

    To save your valuable time, don't bother with the first 1:14 of this video.

    * The minister who is speaking is not the best speaker in the world.
    * You are being asked to evaluate the content of her words which are spoken between time marker 1:14 and 3:00.

    The 'context', much bigger implications, and other important details should be pretty easy to figure out.

    Please, let me know what you think about the words spoken from 1:14 to 3:00
    Citizens Arrested for commiting FREE SPEECH in DC, Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueJi_uEurHE
     
    gemini181, Oct 15, 2007 IP