What can the atheists offer the rest of the world???

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  1. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #221
    Being the majority or minority has nothing to do with following the constitution.

    Even if 95% of the population wanted guns to be banned it does not equal guns should be banned unless we are totally destroying what this country was founded on.

    We also are not a democracy BTW..

    Who banned Christmas?
     
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  2. proteindude

    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #222
    Dude, I told you before. If you so see me as a threat and as a law breaker of these forums you can press that button on the right (Report Post) and be done with it. This is the 3rd time though that I am asking you the same question: where is the attack? Where is the insult? Where is the whatever else I'm doing wrong? Not respecting your beliefs? How in the world am I not respecting your belief? Show me something that I am not "respecting" you.

    You keep quoting me where I said I must NOT respect atheists. YES a million times I said that. WHat I meant is I must not adhere to the atheists views. I told you English is NOT my first language. But just to make sure I am not hiding behind this excuse, for the last time:Show me where I insulted atheists. Can you do that for me?
     
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  3. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #223
    The Rule of Law like... so totally rocks! :)
     
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  4. proteindude

    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #224
    You already have schools where you can no longer have Christmas pageants, no references to Easter, etc. I wonder who is behind these removal of references to God??? And you're still defending the atheists. If God does not exist why make it such a big part of your life to deny or attack His existence? If He doesn't exist who cares?
     
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  5. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #225
    I'm not sure why you keep asking this question, as the answer seems stunningly clear:
    This one is a bit less clear. Let's start here:
    I am an Atheist. I am not "tearing your beliefs down and making sure your beliefs don't matter."

    What you are saying is not true. It is very insulting. True Atheism doesn't try to destroy anyones peaceful beliefs.

    Why are you trying to destroy Atheism? What harm have we done to you?

    As another poster pointed out, we're only about 2% of the population. Give us a break!
     
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  6. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #226
    who cares, religion shouldn't be part of public school, if you want to learn religion in school go to private school

    you wouldn't be happy if school was teaching some other religion
     
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  7. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #227
    Yet again what do you not get about seperation of church and state?

    In your logic they should not care that you are forcing your beliefs on them, against the constitution and using their tax money to pay for your beliefs.

    Would you be for having muslim activities at your school, forced to take part in by your children, paid for by your tax dollars?

    I am defending the constitution, not 'atheists' but this country, for what I love and what it was founded on. Be it christian, muslim, jewish, atheist, or green giant ;)
     
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  8. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #228
    Dude, like Ramadan would like totally suck. Lunch rocks! :eek:
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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  10. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #230
    It's not Atheists which are the problem, it's those PC freaks.

    Those people are sans clue.
     
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  11. proteindude

    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #231
    Who is not giving you a break? Am I threatening you in any way? Am I forcing you to not take part in government? Or is it the atheists that can't stand coins, or pledges, or 10 commandments tablets in court houses. Who is attacking who again? Who is for the abolition of Christmas and any references to God anywhere in public life. Oh yeah: "Stop pushing your religious beliefs down my throat."

    "Now go and take the cross off public land protein dude."
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #232
    Not in public life protein dude, government and public life is a bit different.
    Coins by the government, pledge of the country 'government', court houses, all of the government. 'God' added to those coins, to that pledge, to those court houses after they were made, after the constitution.

    Will YOU take coins with Allah on it without a problem? Will you pledge to Allah? Will you allow muslim or jewish statues in place of the 10 commandments?

    Honestly it doesn't matter what you thin, it matters what the constitution states ;)
     
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  13. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #233
    No, you are forcing us to take part in a government endorsing a particular religion. Don't get me wrong, I think some of the measures people are taking are a bit out of control, but I agree with a lot of them. This general rule should be used: Is public money being used to fund any of it? If so, it has to go.
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #234
    Man, Could you imagine the noise these people would make if it was someone else's god they were forced to reference on a daily basis?

    I'm sure the defence of "if he doesn't exist it shouldn't matter" would be abandoned pretty quickly. They are only defending the connection of church and state because it happens to be the god of their church that has the connection with the state.

    The hypocrisy of religion shines bright once again.
     
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    #235
    I think we should sell space on coins for advertising. I don't care if the Christians buy them or if Gatorade buys them.

    The same for space in court houses. Bid today on a 3x3 wall space ad for a year! If you want to push your religion on us, you gotta pay!
     
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  16. proteindude

    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #236
    You really believe that??? So if a group of Christians decided to build with their own dough a 10 commandments monument in the front or in the garden of a court house you will be ok with it? Somehow I think that will bother you because a "view" which you don't agree with is promoted. Which brings me back to my point which is atheism has as one of its goals the eradication of all referrences to God.
     
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    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #237
    Your constant fighting to disprove God reminds me of this old Russian dude: one of the words used to describe us Christians is believers. An old Russian guy was asked once by an atheist: "How can you believe in God? Have you ever seen God?" The old Russian guy replied: "I have never seen God in my life. I have also never seen a Japanese in my life either, but I know that Japanese exist because our Russian army fought them in the war. I know God exists because you atheists are always always fighting to disprove His existence."
     
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    #238
    No atheist ever fights to disprove gods existence, For one simple reason, We know it's impossible to prove something doesn't exist. This isn't limited to your god, it includes all gods, The flying spaghetti monster, unicorns, Elves, Pixies, The tea pot orbiting Uranus, Atlantis or any other imaginary creation or myth.

    What we fight is the people that believe it. We fight your lack of logic. We fight your need to have your god on our money, Your god in our schools and your god in our court houses. We fight the notion that religion deserves automatic respect simply because it's a belief, We fight against your opposition of science, evidence and reason and we fight your hypocrisy.
     
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    #239
    I would like to publicly and officially distance myself from any statements made by this young man.

    To the non-Atheists in the topic, st0x's views do not represent the mainstream of Atheist thought.

    We're not trying to fight you or control you. We respect your right to believe as you choose to believe.

    st0x is just young and confused.
     
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    #240
    Please stop calling yourself an atheist. You make us all look spineless.
    Call yourself agnostic, You know, The fence sitting bed wetters who are frightened of annoying either side.
     
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