Israel's rising right wing

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ly2, Oct 10, 2007.

  1. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #41
    Sorry, my facts are first hand from the people on the ground. Your sources are hate-filled propaganda vehicles.

    Especially with the BBC completely controlled by anti-semitics, it's difficult for you to get unbiased news from the Middle East in Britain these days. I understand that. However, it is your responsibility to adjust for that bias.

    You seem like a bright fellow. Tell me, do you really believe that Jews are the hate-filled warmongering baby killers represented by that propaganda?

    When I asked the Jew who was shot three times by Arabs how he felt about Arabs, he said "The doctors in the Israeli Amy hospital who saved my life were Arabs."

    That's not the kind of thing that you hear on the BBC. That's not the kind of thing that a rabid Jew lusting for Arab blood would say. And yet the leftist media continues to portray Jews as radib babykillers who want nothing more than to be surrounded by dead Arabs.
     
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    #42
    Show me any UN resolution that talks about how "much of Israel is occupied by Arab countries" please. Or you can't?
     
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    #43
    Something you can never fully rely on as people on the ground tend to add "personal opinion" rather than facts. I'm sure I could prove that with my views about the British.
    Sorry but I don't see how you are led to believe that every link posted is hate-filled propaganda even with one of them was from James Millar you know, the bloke that was shot dead because he had terrorists standing behind him. :rolleyes:
     
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  4. Will.Spencer

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    #44
    The Israeli's didn't leave it for Hamas. The Arabs placed Hamas in charge.

    As you know, Haas was not the Israeli's first choice -- as Hamas is a terrorist organization which is committed to the goal of destroying Israel.

    It does seem like a good reason not to abandon national territory so that is becomes a staging ground for attacks.

    Why does Israel need an excuse? Those lands are part of Israel. They were given to Israel in the peace agreement ending the 6 Day War.

    In the U.S., we have a concept where -- once you make a deal -- you keep your word.

    Does this concept not also exist in the Arab world?

    But let me ask you a question. Would you support the end of violence against Israel if Israel gave up 3/4rd of it's territory and returned to the stub of a country which it was before it was attacked in 1967?

    Four data points:

    • Obviously other Arab countries would not stop attacking Israel -- or the Six Day war would never have happened in the first place.
    • Arab leaders have been quite clear that only the total annihilation of Israel will end their attacks. Israel giving up 3/4 of it's territory will do nothing to create peace with them.
    • This new territory -- in the hands of terrorists -- would make attacks on Israeli citizens significantly easier. That's the major reason why the Israeli's have been unwilling to give this land for the promise of peace before. The Golan Heights are a perfect artillery platform and East Jerusalem is the perfect spot for waging a terrorist war to destroy the remnants of Israel.
    • If the Arab leaders didn't keep their word after the 1967 peace agreement, what on Earth would make any sane person believe that they will keep their word after this peace agreement?


    As you well know, the UN General Assembly is completely dominated by OIC countries. Most of these countries are in favor of the complete destruction of Israel.

    As such, it is a completely biased body with no hope of acting to resolve this conflict.
     
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    #45
    You make me laugh again. Show me and the rest of world that peace agreement you're talking about. Can you please quote parts from it where someone giving some land to Israelies please? Thanks.

    I am allways against violence,even now when Israel still have apartheid regime and still keeping other peoples land.

    If you look it from diferent perspective you would see diferent thing: Six Day war would never have happened in the first place if there were no zionist taking someone's else land with terrorism

    BS. Israel signed peace agreement with Egypt (who was a leader in attacks on Israel) and Jordan and those peace agreements are still in place and as far as I know noone broke them so far.

    BS again. The Golan Heights are more important because of water supplies than anything else. Again, peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan proves you're wrong.

    Again, there was an peace agreement back in 1967.? That's something new for me. You probably have completly diferent history books than rest of the world. Care to share with rest of us what peace agreement you're talking about?

    And that's why even US,which is well know for being completly biased against Israel, voted for all those resolutions against Israel,right?
     
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  6. Will.Spencer

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    #46
    OK, try to think this through logically:
    • Do you agree that there was a war in 1967 between Israel and an array of Arab nations?
    • Do you agree that this war ended after approximately 6 Days?
    • Do you understand that this war was ended by an agreement?
    Now, please go back and repeat your last response with this new understanding.
     
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    #47
    lol as I said: care to share with rest of the world what peace agreement you're talking about than? :D
    Link? Quotes from it? Anything?
     
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  8. Will.Spencer

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    #48
    Ahem.

    If you are not an absolute moron, you know quite well what peace agreement I am referring to.

    If you are an absolute moron, communicating with you is quite useless.

    We all know the rough details of the peace agreement, which gave Israel the territory it had gained during the war.

    If you would like specifics, look it up. Don't act like a little baby and expect everyone else to do your homework for you. Where were you raised that such behavior was considered acceptable?
     
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    #49
    Personal attacks are forbidden here so I've reported your post. Have a nice day.

    ps six days war was ended with just ceasefire and there was no peace agreement at all. In fact, Arabs held summit in Khartoum with well know resolution: "no peace, no recognition and no negotiation with Israel." making impossible any peace agreement you're talking about.
     
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  10. Will.Spencer

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    #50
    As I have made no personal attack, I am not at all worried by your report. :rolleyes:

    I've done even more of your homework for you. The ceasefire agreement granting Israel the territory it gained during the war can be found here.

    Your mention of the Khartoum summit absolutely proves my point. The Arabs nations agreed to one thing on 11 June 1967 then completely backed out of their agreement in Khartoum on 1 September.

    In the U.S., such deal breaking is considered extremely unethical.

    How is deal-breaking seen in your part of the world?
     
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    #51
    It's nothing new for people that have no arguments to use personal attacks. It's become common thing here on DP but I hope that would be changed with new rules.

    I will quote your whole "proof":
    I don't see anything about someone gave some land to Israel and I don't see anything about Arabs agreeing to that. Care to quote that part?

    Ceasefire is just that: ceasefire and have nothing to do with peace agreements and I have no frigin' clue about what are you talking about. On what Arabs have agreed too and than broke that deal?!? Ceasefire?!? They broke ceasefire on 1st september?
     
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  12. Will.Spencer

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    #52
    Please quit being silly. You are not illiterate!

    Perhaps you are simpy not familiar with bureaucratic writing? If so, I can only envy you!

    This is the exact line that set the new borders. It really is that simple. It doesn't require flourishes and it doesn't have to be written in blood and it doesn't require the seal of a holy man with a funny hat.

    Please, don't play illiterate with me. It is clear that you are quite literate in the English language.

    What ends a war? A cease fire. Another document may or may not come later and may or may not be called a cease fire.

    On 1 September, they completely discarded the commitments they made in order to end the 6 Day War.

    This resulted in very little immediate action, but eventually resulted in the Syrian and Egyptian armies invading Israel on 6 October 1973.
     
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    #53
    Well I have not made one and I resent the implication that I have. :mad:
     
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    #54
    Sharon going down was the worst thing that could of happened for Israel. They so need to dump Olmert and put Netanyahu in charge.
     
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    #55
    Ben rocks! I wish he were born here so I could vote for him.
     
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    #56
    Yitzhak Rabin assassination was the worst day i would say
     
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    #57
    The worst day is coming soon, when Iran or Syria finally gets their nukes completed. :rolleyes:

    If I were Israeli, I'd move to Arizona now.
     
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    #58
    So you didn't say this:

    I am still waiting for you to show me peace agreement you're talking about. That thing only exists in your mind so what's the point arguing with you when you will make up another thing and claim it's real fact.

    LMAO! I'm impressed what you managed to read from that one sentence! :D

    Well, I was in war so I know diference between ceasefire and peace agreement which you obviously don't know so do some reading before posting:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceasefire

    Care to share what commitments they made in order to end the 6 Day War? Give us a list please.
     
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    #59
    I've already shown it to you. Please, quit pretending to be illiterate. We can all tell that you read English quite well. It's a silly game and it does not make you look good.

    The main commitment under discussion is #4, where the combatants promised to hold the borders to exactly where they were at 1630 hours GMT on 10 June 1967.

    Of course, they almost immediately set out to violate #4, which eventually resulted in the Syrian and Egyptian armies invading Israel on 6 October 1973.

    Do legal agreements hold any meaning to you?

    As the Arab nations have shown repetitively that legal agreements mean nothing to them, please please please please please tell me why Israel should sign another agreement where it gives up anything for peace?

    What war did you fight in? Did you get to kill any Jews or Christians?
     
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    #60
    you are just trying to scare people into supporting your ideas and war.
    i read somewhere that there is a larger percent of Jewish American against the Iraq war than general population.correct me if i am wrong.
     
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