Have you ever wonder about the existent of GOD?

And it can also be said, religion can always 'beat' science. it has a very handy tool it can use, blind faith.
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Stox, I just wanted to say that is very kind of you to help animals with your volunteer work, they need it desperately.

 

There is no way to deter one side from believing something without a reeducation or just a plain old wait-until-they-die approach - i.e. the next generation will be less fouled up and less zealotrious than the previous. That's not even a word, mind you, I found it fitting. It is the arrogance of what stOx said that fuels their side, by having stark harsh words said to them that basically tell them all they believe is wrong it only causes them to have an unthinking knee-jerk reaction.

What I attempted to prove, and did, was that the bible was not written 2,000 years ago, indeed its books were written between 26-100 years after the death of the Christian messiah, and then they were sorted out by the councils. You see, there were more books, written by apostles as claimed at the time of these councils who decided on what was canon and what was not. They were debated over, poured over, and thus the ones they felt were inadequate or nearly duplicate were deleted and omitted from the current bible that Christians use. The Jewish books are much older, and of course, took 1500 years to complete - the new testament took about 200 years from 0AD to 200AD to reach all completed works in a common pool, and then by 400AD was all wrapped up and tied with a bow along with the old testament stories.

The bible itself was not magically produced out of thin air. Nor is it yet 2,000 years of age. Trivial, yes, but there are many who think the bible (the Christian bible) was written by god alone and magically delivered to man - rather than bureaucratic decision making in council rooms that decided on policy and on canon.

If you raised a small child to an adult telling him the earth was flat, telling him rain was god's tears, telling him that the moon was indeed cheese and that the world would end when he turned 30 - he'd likely not believe it if it was one parent. But what if it is both parents? What if it is his parents, his grandparents, his playmates, and his teachers at Sunday school that teach him this? That tell him all science is wrong, and what they say is right? Then you have someone who will believe what he was taught from birth with a die-hard drive to the death.

And we wonder how suicide bombers think it is rewarding, or why so many nuts believe that the earth is really flat, or that we never went to the moon. Or that there is a single dominant god.

If there were gods, I'd rather there be more than one. Actually, I'd rather Zecharia Sitchin be correct than incorrect.

 

I would love to see some evidence for the theory of evolution. And yet with all these billions of years of evolution they still haven't found "the missing link".

Or should I say the missing links?? Not just the missing link from monkeys to humans but the missing link from the fish to the land animals. The missing link from the chicken to the monkey. Quite a lot of missing links or should I call it missing evidence?

 

i think you are 100% bananas

 

NO. According to science I only have 50% of the bananas DNA. You may smile but this is true hard scientific evidence.

Science always tries to narrow the gap between man and monkey. And yet I feel that if I called an evolutionist a monkey (even though he claims he descended from one) he wouldn't be too happy.

Last I heard in my science class was that a monkey gives birth to a monkey and a woman gives birth to a baby (human baby that is).

 

According to science, real science, 98% of our DNA is unused, and following with that 99% of that which is used is the same between all living humans, and from that which is used, 98% is the same as a chimp. Specifically the chimp as Pan is the closest evolutionary group to our own, and branched from human development some two million years ago. Their evolution was not as sporadic and troublesome as ours, and they are highly evolved. We're kinda whatever could be mutated and thrown together at the last minute really.

 

I agree 100%. However, we're not arguing about science vs. theism anymore. Now we're arguing atheist to theist. the subtle difference means that no side will give in, no matter how many times we point out that the theists are wrong, and are blindly trusting..

 

You shouldn't be one to point out 'missing evidence'.

Where's all of your evidence? Oh, I remember now. It's all missing. Oops, no it's not because you don't have any. Silly me.

remember, the bible isn't evidence.

 

Isn't it ironic that the mind that exalts reason above all else in logic, rejects it in nature?

If Evolution isn't a religion, why does it stand so steadfast against scientific proof?

 

It.... doesn't? Evolution is a science fact... bacteria evolve... selective breeding puts the role of natural selection in the hands of humans and gives us dogs... we're the product of natural selection as our mind are superior and thus man begot technology and weapons.

 

You would make sense except for many, many unexplained occurences. I would love to see some evidence for the theory of evolution. And yet with all these billions of years of evolution they still haven't found "the missing link".

Or should I say the missing links?? Not just the missing link from monkeys to humans but the missing link from the fish to the land animals. The missing link from the chicken to the monkey. Quite a lot of missing links or should I call it missing evidence?

 

I did. Then He knocked, and I answered. I've been a better person ever since. No one has even broken my nose for, oh, I guess a good eight or nine years now.

 

God isn't real, get that through your brain. There's no proof of his existance.

 

Prove it. How do you know he's not watching you right now?

 

Who needs proof? What do you care? You sound very unhappy. If not God, try some pot.

 

If he is, then he can watch me all day long. He's an idiot, if he does exist.

 

Look what God did to you...he made you even less intelligent.

 

I do believe in God. In fact I have witnessed miracles first hand. I actually saw a man (who was in his 60's) that was born deaf get healed. I lived in a small town at the time and everyone was very well aware of the old man being deaf. We all knew him.

I also saw my mother healed of a condition where one of her legs was slightly longer than the other one. This caused her pain for years but God healed her. I was right there by her side and saw it with my own eyes.

Believe it or not it is true

 

Missing link between monkies and humans? Are you insane? There is no link between me and a chimp. We did not evolve from any living animal around today however we share a common ancestor that was ape-like.. Higher primates (Great Apes, and most specifically and closely related to us Chimps) evolved from a common ancestor that was between ape and man. Its so easy really... one group survived by going into the forests, foraging, hunting, living around trees and in them and such... others went out into the fields. Faster legs, better mobility for running and walking, the loss of inadequate posture for long distance mobility. We developed along side them - not from them.

It's a tree - branches - get it? There is no line. There is no 1-1-1-1. At one point in time four to five different human species were living at the exact same time, with an early form of Homosapien (idaltu), Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, Cro Magnon Man (pre modern man) and Homo Floresiensis. We didn't come from them all, and they didn't come from us. All of them do have a common ancestor in the one creature, of which we have not YET found a skeleton of, that gave rise to Chimp and Man. Reason it would be hard to tell is that with fossils DNA is very hard to extract when they are so old. However, these species that were alive along with us are MUCH closer to our time period than when Pan and Homo seperated to form their groups. Homo Erectus is likely to have given rise to Homo Floresiensis, whilst Erectus are likely an early split from Habilis through Ergaster, and Sapien(our line) is also likely from Habilis, as is Erectus - and Erectus spawned four or more of its own lines. In the Homosapien line there is a link in the chain, for us as Homosapien Sapiens are likely descended from Homo Sapien Idaltu - while Cro Magnon Homo Sapiens died out in the advancement of Homosapien Sapiens (through mostly interbreeding/war).

Now, how would this have been able to occur, and these fossils found, and all of the years of research that point to our evolution over three million years worth of time (which is after the split from Pan[Chimp ancestors]) if Genesis were true and we're all only 6k years out of the ball park? Golly gee whirlikers... society has been tracked back to the Sumerians who first began farming around 9500 BCE with archaeological dig sites and proof, making that... oh... 9500 + 2007... 11507 years ago? besides that we have dig sites that go back to 10,000 BC for agro, and pre-agro goes back to 200,000 BCE.

200,000 years ago with out lovely relatives that gave rise to the post-Cro Magnon man.

The debate isn't when Homosapien Sapiens evolved, it is where now. We know our previous ancestors pretty well, until the fuzzy 2-3 million year mark, but in any case we blow out that argument about man being only 6, 9, 12,000 years on this planet.

 

The idea that man evolved from Apes was promulgated by the "church" to the public to refute Darwin and evolution theories.

Darwin, nor any other evolutionist ever said that man evolved from apes yet that seems to be a widely held belief about 'evolution' even today.

Evolution is a FACT it has been proven over and over with plants, bacteria and even some animals.

Could it be that a wise God created everything with the ability to adapt, change and survive? Are the ideas of evolution and God mutually exclusive? Not in my way of thinking.

One of the major hurdles between science and religion is the so-called 6,000 years or so that are supposed to have passed since Adam and Eve. That is a myth. There is no way you can define the amount of time that has passed from Genesis 1:1 until now - No Way whatsoever. I believe that it was much much more than 6k years