Israel's rising right wing

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ly2, Oct 10, 2007.

  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #21
    So if a priest leave the church and become a mass murderer, should we say that mass murderers mostly have started as devote Catholics? :D
    People go through life and change their opinions and loyalty base on many factors, it doesn't make those ideologies related to each other. :)

    There is also this on top of that page:

    I suppose the better wording will be:

    This part of article is BS. :D
     
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  2. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #22
    they are not conservative for sure. just checkout the deficit
     
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  3. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #23
    Are you aware of who owns the Federal Reserve, and how they came to own it?

    Ahmadenajad doesn't have the authority to attack Israel. He's just a figurehead. Ayatollah Khameini is the "Supreme Leader" of Iran.
     
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  4. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #24
    You forget that isreal has a good following of doves( believers in the peace method), so you cant really bunch any nation into right wing or left wing,
     
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  5. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #25
    The article is likely disputed by NeoCons, that doesn't make it any less true. There is a reason why the party had the Barry Goldwater insurgency, to bring back traditional conservative and libertarian values. That culminated in the Ronald Reagan Presidency, who wasn't perfect, but enormously popular when his terms were over.

    I posted an article in a thread today about Ron Paul and Russell Kirk. It highlights exactly how these ideas of spreading democracy and policing the world are liberal, left wing POVs, made popular by Woodrow Wilson, the same ass who sold us out to the bankers by creating the FTC and the Federal Reserve Bank.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson
     
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  6. ReadyToGo

    ReadyToGo Peon

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    #26
    An owner of the Fed certainly would be able to control the Fed's monetary policy. This would mean the the Federal Reserve Board owns the Fed, and that is not true. Therefore, no one owns the Fed.
     
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  7. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #27
    lol. They don't have to control policy, they only have to collect the interest. The only policy they care about is government debt spending, not inflation or deflation.

    If you look up the history of central banks, you will find they are always private, and they always crop up under suspicious political situations.

    Rockefeller owns part of Chase Manhattan. Chase Manhattan owns a chunk of the Member Bank. It's just a complex pyramid scheme friend. The Rothchilds made all of their money in banking, and they originated the modern central banking scheme. Rumoured to be worth 2 billion in the early part of last century, that's equivalent to 5,000,000,000,000 (5 trillion) in today's economy.
     
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  8. ReadyToGo

    ReadyToGo Peon

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    #28
    What interest?
     
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  9. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #29
    The Israeli's I've talked to personally have all been doves at heart.

    One of them was shot three times by ummm... "Israel's neighbors."

    Another one of the was almost killed by a suicide bomber, but managed to rush towards the bomber and prevent the device from being detonated.

    And yet, they still maintained their dovish stance that they just want their "neighbors" to leave them alone and let them live in peace.
     
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  10. cormac

    cormac Peon

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    #30
    Very slim chance that will happen if their country keeps violating the human rights of their neighbours.
     
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  11. Will.Spencer

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    #31
    You mean defending themselves against incessant missile, mortar, and bomb attacks?

    I don't see how committing national suicide will be a good thing for the Israeli's.
     
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  12. cormac

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    #32
    Sure. If you want to call shooting/bombing at women & children defending themselves then so be it. As with bulldozing Palestine homes to make way for settler camps or how about using humans as shields and even shooting dead international observers?

    More like a crow at heart rather than a dove.
     
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  13. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #33
    Ahem.

    Israeli soldiers take every possible precaution not to harm women and children. This is made impossible by the terrorists, who built artillery positions in residences, businesses, and hospitals.

    I've trained with some of the IDF boys -- they don't even carry their handguns loaded for fear they might hurt someone by accident. The load their handguns before firing -- every time. In the U.S., we would call that being insanely unprepared.

    Have you seen the Israeli homes that have been abandoned to make way for Arab settlements? I haven't seen Palestinian homes bulldozed to make way for Israeli settlements, but I have seen Israeli's dragged from their homes by IDF soldiers -- to make way for Arab settlers.

    The International "observers" "observed" the terrorists hiding right beside them. If they weren't empowered to either kill the terrorists or put their tail between their legs and run, then their own governments are to blame. They are in a war zone -- people get hurt in war zones. If I recall, their own officers issued a statement that they could not blame the Israeli's for the error.

    Please, let's not get carried away with anti-semitic rhetoric and hate speech.

    Israel is doing everything possible -- short of mass suicide -- to make peace with it's neighbors. It is not Israel who is refusing to even attend the upcoming peace summit.
     
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  14. iggysick

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    #34
    lol what an typical AIPAC fairy tale! Thank you for good laugh! :D
    Btw if Israel is so nice and,like you've said, "doing everything possible to make a peace with it's neighbors" why they refused even to talk about "Land for peace" initiative few years ago (in 2002. to be exact)?
     
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  15. Will.Spencer

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    #35
    Ahem.

    Israel has acted unilaterally on the Land for Peace initiative by giving a portion of Israel, the Gaza Strip, to the very people who are murdering Israeli's.

    What are the results?

    • As soon as the Israeli's withdrew, Jewish holy sites were attacked and desecrated.
    • As soon as the Israeli's withdrew, the territory that was given freely was almost immediately utilized to launch additional rocket attacks onto Israeli civilians.
    • As soon as the Israeli's withdrew, the territory that was given freely was almost immediately used to smuggle weapons into Israel -- including the building of vast underground tunnels used to smuggle weapons.
    And now?

    The Gaza Strip is part of an Arab v. Arab civil war and the place is a complete shambles.

    It would be better for all concerned if the Israeli's still ran the place!

    The Israeli's have given much for peace and yet they have seen little in return.

    It really seems as if the Israeli's only hope for peace is mass suicide.
     
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  16. iggysick

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    #36
    lmao! Again, thanks for a good laugh!
    Btw why they didn't withdraw from West Bank too than? Why they didn't withdraw to pre-67.'s borders if they are such nice guys and only wants a peace?
    So, I steal a million bucks and I return 100,000 so that makes me good guy and I am no longer a thief? :rolleyes:
    But you still didn't answer my question: why they didn't wanted to talk about that peace intiative?

    And you nailed whole problem right in the head here. :)
    It doesn't matter that whole world (except people like you and Israelies) consider the Gaza Strip,West Bank and Golan heights to be occupied territories. For you, the Gaza Strip was "portion of Israel" and the rest of world is probably wrong cosidering it Palestinian land,right? :D
     
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  17. Will.Spencer

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    #37
    You are being quite disrespectful. :mad:

    Why should they withdraw at all? They were attacked by Egypt, Jordan, and Syria with supporting arms and troops from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Algeria.

    Their withdraw from Gaza was a gesture of peace. Their gesture of peace was met with nothing but rocket attacks, mortar attacks, and cross-border raids to kidnap and murder Israeli's.

    Gaza was a test case -- with results like that, why should Israel continue down that path?

    Please, your accusations of thievery are completely out of touch with the historical facts. Those lands changed hands in the peace agreements which ended the 6 Day War.

    Then, after signing the agreement, the Arab signatories changed their minds and want to renege on their promises.

    Even with that, the Israeli's have given up much of what they gained during that war -- all for nothing but peace.

    It's time that the Israeli's got something in return for all that they have given.
     
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    #38
    Why? For saying thanks? Ok, sorry, I won't say you thanks ever again.

    And Israelies didn't know what will hapen when they withdraw from Gaza strip and leave it for Hamas? Hmmm now Israelies and people like you have good excuse for not withdraw from West Bank and Golan heights so I am wondering why Israel did withdrawal unilaterally instead of making peace agreement and than withdraw from all occupied territories (if they sign something like that). YOu have to be frigin' Einstein to see why they did it, right? ;)

    So ,again, almost whole world is wrong considering those territories occupied,right? Few hundred countries are wrong and you are right! You should contact the rest of the world and inform them that they are wrong than.

    Let me know when they even show a good will to stop occuping others peoples land and than talk about peace.
     
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    #39
    If you want to play that way, much of Israel is occupied by Arab countries.

    Should the Israeli's then never make peace with the Arabs?

    Is that what you want? Endless war?
     
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  20. cormac

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    #40
    Sure they do and its proven time and time again.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=w0cVm0ysF9M
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=8mUDjDCCDmE
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=K89n751XFKU
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=e94QMzl5JTw

    So really what you are saying is that when a civilian is killed they have probably been murdered? Wouldn't it be highly likely the solider had plenty of time to identify the target, load the weapon and then start firing off rounds?

    No comment as you seem to be very much in denial on the truth. Here's a video. http://youtube.com/watch?v=RC6Q5llWRac

    Where do you pull these laughable comments from? That wasn't the case for James Millar, he was observing a civilian homes being demolished (something you haven't seen) along with other Journalists.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DIOaCUhFk8

    Back to having plenty of time to identify a target, load em up and shoot. A you said, they don't carry a loaded weapon.

    Murder is murder. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/devon/4883442.stm

    Anti-semitic rhetoric and hate speech? Far from it, just proving your "love & dove" BS with some facts.

    Sure they are and I applaud them. :rolleyes:
     
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