why do we fear muslims so much?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by judetheobscure, Oct 9, 2007.

  1. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #21
    I don't believe some are intellectually honest enough to see this, or they are willfully ignorant on the subject. I suspect though, that if one admitted to knowing the reality of it, it would diminish the value of who they support for president. Therefore they are bound to be obtuse over the subject.
     
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    M5love Well-Known Member

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    #22
    I have to disagree with you on some of your points. Islam is not an alien nation. If it wasn't for Islam, the Renaissance wouldn't of taken place, Europe still would be living in the dark ages. (I am not saying this, ask the historians, read books) Also, Muslims ruled part of Spain for some time so I don't think it's 'alien'. Many famous people have spoken of it in the past including Napoleon. Anyways, the fear is out of ignorance. One needs to understand the other person's perspective and where they are coming from.
     
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  3. TWalker

    TWalker Peon

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    #23
    I don't believe there is much fear of Muslims per se. There is some justified fear of Islam and Muhammads teachings.

    If the second largest religion in the world was Hitlerism there would justifiably be some fear. But the second largest religion in the world is "Muhammadism" and thats the equivalent of "Hitlerism".

    Muhammad and Hitler are so closely related in belief and action it is scary. Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism and other religions are not based on the teachings of an evil mad man but Islam is. Simple enough?

    While we must make the distinction between Muslims (people) and Islam (Muhammads religion) we also must not be ignorant of what Muhammad was.
     
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  4. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #24
    So is Twalkerism also related to Moronism? After this post, it looks like the equivalent of "moronism".:rolleyes:
     
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  5. judetheobscure

    judetheobscure Peon

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    #25
    M5love i didn't refer to any nation as 'alien' to the west, but islam as a religion as being alien to the west. and yes i know of the moorish connection with spain which brought islam to southern spain hundreds of years ago, but there are many countries in the west who never experienced islam until last century.
    my parents never met a muslim until they were middle-aged.
    perhaps centuries down the line we will see muslims as well adapted and integrated into western countries and culture as we see jews today, or rather don't see them for they are so well integrated that they are no different from anyone else. and that is exactly my point, right now muslims are too seperate, too visible, too different in every respect, and i am not saying that that is such a bad thing, but it will inevitably lead to the real 'fear' that i was referring to earlier.
     
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  6. Boogie Nights

    Boogie Nights Banned

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    #26
    Forgive me for being obvious but what about muslims flying jets into the fucking WORLD TRADE CENTER! (does anyone remember 9-11?)
     
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    Rienk0r Peon

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    #27
    Stop bringing in the religions, a religion is personal, and people are responsible for their own actions.
     
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    Boogie Nights Banned

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    #28
    Fact is, if we did not let in millions of muslims then 9-11 would NOT have happened. We are not at war with terror, but with unchecked immigration.
     
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  9. Ireq

    Ireq Peon

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    #29
    It was inevitable I believe. Without immigration country like US would have never had a chance to exist. You cant control all of the people
     
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  10. Pauline

    Pauline Peon

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    #30
    Clearly....
     
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    Boogie Nights Banned

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    #31
    Immigration at first was necessary, but to let in MILLIONS of muslims is reprehensible
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #32
    Thanks for the reminder Rudy!

    If we did not assassinate Mosaddeq in 1953, if we didn't provide the means for Saddam to commit genocide, if we didn't support the Saudi Royalty, or the dictator in Pakistan, etc etc, I don't think the Muslims would hate us any more than they hate the Canadians.
     
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    #33
    No one cares how many muslims were killed; they are 3rd world trash for the most part; we care about real americans are being killed.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #34
    That is where you are wrong. Muslims care about Muslims being killed. That's a group of 1.2 billion people.

    If you care about real Americans being killed, bring the troops home.
     
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  15. Aunti Anti Terrorist

    Aunti Anti Terrorist Peon

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    #35
    I do not agree with you about saying that "Jihad was born after Iranian revolution".
    A particular Jihad was born after the prophet of Islam instructed Muslims about it, and the general Jihad was born from the time of the time of first prophet, which is the first human being as well, Adam.

    Regarding your question that "why western people , or non Muslims fear Muslim?" I should say that : "the fear in fact is not from Muslims, the fear is from Islam. This is the idea which is scary. So why Islam is an idea which is scary for non Muslims? Because usually the truth always is in conflict with the unfair interests and benefits, so for example if majority of Americans become Muslim one day, ofcourse many people , for instance American rich jewish, will see their benefits in danger."
    There are many other examples to explain that how the idea of Islam which is based on JUSTICE will be in conflict with unjust benefits of some people.
     
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    #36
    islam was invented by mohamud and Adam died well before mo was born.

    That's it! It is the Jews fault, them rich Jews are holding all of the wealth and beating everyone with whips. Yes, we need salvation from the jews and the just islam will bring justice!

    NOT.

    Islam wants to take over the U.S. like it is taking over canada (without effort) but guess what, you will have a fight to try and take over the U.S.
    islam will die with its prophet some day.
     
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    #37
    So AGS, clearly you have no arguement for the Muhammad VS. Hitler comparison? :)
     
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    #38
    keep your finger crossed.
    funny, many muslim still following their religions but many christians don't go to their churches anymore.
    don't do adultery.
    how many christians do adultery?
    they only know about christmas, and cristmas is about long weekend, nothing more.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #39
    The comparison is so stupid that there is no need for argument or discussion. :)
     
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  20. Aunti Anti Terrorist

    Aunti Anti Terrorist Peon

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    #40
    I think you misunderstood me when I gave example of Jewish people. That was just an example. I didn't mean that everything is their fault, or I didn't suppost Hitler. I am also , like you, condemn any inhuman action, and support human rights.
    I was trying to say that the reason that we are afraid of something or someone or some idea, is "fear of loosing benefits and interest". The lack of interest will cause the "fear" and we think that thing is bad, but that thing is not really bad. For example "snake" is not bad. But snake is negative and bad in eye of a man who is in danger, why? Because "the lack of life" which is a benefit for human being is bad. We look at snake as negative and we fear , not because of snake, but because of LACK of existence.
     
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