I said PKK, not Kurds, 2 very different things, you may want to re-read the posts. It's the Turks who think Kurds' sake, you can check who saved the half million Kurds abandoned by the US and ran from Saddam's massacre in the first Gulf War. And please, read the topic and acknowledge what the subject is about. About US, who needs who is a two-way road, especially in Middle East. Same counts for hostility. If you follow the politics, not just this, Mid-east issues regarding Israel, Syria and Iran, you'll eventually notice Turkey support is vital on many cases. And there's no double standard at all, Turkey nowhere and repeat nowhere supports any sort of terrorism. I really think you overestimate Turkey's "politic"(not anything else) influence with the problem you mention.
Disagreed. Saving even 1 human life is a great thing. First you gotto know who your enemy is, and that's not the poor people we saved, it's those who live much far away.
Read the book "güneydogu'dan öyküler", you'll see that poor kurdish villagers support and feed terrorists.
Well so they are army PKK of 25k men and you are pissed that someone is funding them and making hell in Turkey. On the other hand you do the same and fund some other terrorist group in some other part of the world and they are making hell but that is ok since they are making hell to others and not you roght Don't give Turkey much role in this whole thing since they(turkey) HAVE to support US and western allies in middle east crusades. If they not, that same middle east crusade can come to turkey and turkey has no means to defend if this scenario happens. Hands are kind of tied for Turkey on global political scene right now. This is because even when Turkey is one of the biggest and have potential to be one of the most productive and rich countries of the world they still lack on military field. All weapons they buy and if shit happens sanctions can occur and turkey is left without spaee parts, support etc...of course for the time beign this is fantasy but don't think eu or us don't have a plan how to destroy one of the biggest muslim country. And it could be done easily and kurds would be of great help...just like in Iraq. After Iran we all know who is next
That's more of a complex issue, we can talk elsewhere as it's too detailed for this topic. I stick with my idea though.
Well, i asked for a credible resource to back your claim about Turkish support on terrorism, your answer was, "i have i have i was there". Ok that's such a credible resource it doesn't matter we don't have even 1 link, we gotto believe you. Ok, we understand they don't have schools in where you live but make kids play Counter-Strike and Red Alert 24/7 instead. FYI; Turkish army ranks #5 in the whole world and #2 in NATO, and if one would be to confront Turkey in that terms, it would be on much of a bigger deal than couple of oil fields. But probably in where you live things seem more like a movie where Rambo comes and saves the world since you guys don't get involved in big boys issues(except forum ranting, sorry)
Leo but it suits the thread about Turkey thinking going into Iraq on search for PKK right. Turkey will only go there if US lets them go there ! It can be done under the table of course but they will have silent blessing. So I don't know why you are mentioning us ally and loosing turkey as good us ally. If you think. US lets Turkey into Iraq. Turkey is successful or fail. Either way this causes rage among iraqis and kurds. All "peacful-pretend-to-be" european countries go bezerk and demonize Turkey even a little further talking all kinds of trash - eu of course supports kurds. US says they cannot do nothing but it would be good if Pentagon buys some more "equipment" to prevent such things in the future - good business - they sell to themselves, to turkey and to kurds in Iraq ( ironic huh ? ). US don't directly accuses Turkey of anything but they gain some simpathy from EU ( which they need now more than ever - you will see why I am talking about this ...) by indirectly accusing Turks... Iran is watching all this from the distance and sees its oportunity to take care of their kurd problems forever. US steps in as preventing "genocide and massacre" from on kurds in Iran since they say "we must help them now".... Hell brokes out and middle east multicultural countries start to fall apart .... History repeats itself once again
Now you speak more rational m8; Thing is, US is a super power at this time, and pretty much anybody has something to do with US foreign politics. But the point is, US is a player in this chess, having a good team doesn't guarantee you win every game, does it? You also gotto have a good strategy. They don't cover up everything, it's wrong to underestimate US as much as to overestimate them, esp. in a region where they are so much disliked. US doesn't and will not support Turkish involvement in Iraq, simply bc it has conflicts with their benefits, but see the starting subject, Turkey is seriously considering that option -despite the US-. There is also serious ongoing talks that the key US base in south Turkey will be shut. And i will learn more about the Albanian issue you mentioned earlier, if there's something wrong in human rights way, i will always condemn it surely, no matter who did it. That's pretty much what we all ask in our circumstance, wrongs might have been done but doesn't change the fact that our people are being killed by EU sponsored terrorists who use US brand weapons.
Like I said I don't need links to prove it. Only thing that I needed were my eyes and taking care some bullet from some drunk turkish soldier didn't hit me. Of course he was on vacation there and he does not drink alchocol ( he took couple of months off his regular job in Turkey and came skiing to Kosovo. Accept that info or deny it. Whatever you choose... It doesn't make any difference really so I will not comment further on this topic since always someone comes that has absolutely no idea what was going on talks nonsense and throws links at me .... Ok I've been in Turkey and let me tell you that where I live you can only dream of having such standard. Standard of EVERYTHING Haven't you seen that movie 300 ? Haha some small countries threw you out of europe just like that at the beginning of 20th century. I wouldn't brag too much if I were you. Those small countries were together twice smaller than turks but still ... you pretty much got thrown out right ? Some small countries even caused austro-hungarian empire to fall apart. Just like today some small group of people like PKK can cause Turkey to fall apart. And let me tell you that I am happy to live in a country of maybe not even 2M inhabitants that has no political or military influence on the BIG scene like you say. You know afterall I will only live one life here on this earth and what gives me if I can brag around that my country has tens of M of people if I live like shit ? 99% of Turks never ever saw the world. But we who live in small not-important country sure can go to Turkey .... and we are coming, many many times since Turkey is beautiful country and we like to see beautiful things. Did I mention we have good roads and clean water out of pipe ? You see ... you have something but you cannot have it all And Where do you get that shit about #5 in the world and #2 in Nato ? Turkey maybe has lots of equipment but their military budget is only twice as big as greek for example and turkey has to feed ten times more soldiers. #2 in Nato ... what before France, Italy, Germany, UK ? hehe you are silly my turkish boy. Don't let that BIG Turkey of yours get into head since you will be suffering so much more when you check out all the facts .... Even Greece is better equiped and in better military shape than Turkey. Greek Navy .... ring a bell ?
You don't ask exact questions, you don't show anything to prove things you claim(buy it or leave it isn't a proof really), i don't know what to answer, this looks like they asked an upset boy write a petition about how he feels about politics, i'm afraid politics and wars occur way different than you think my friend. Anyhow, you say we have this and that, but i don't know where you are from exactly, care to tell me? Just curious. I might have missed if you did.
You know what they say about ASS U ME, don't you? The problem is over territory, they want their own country and they have been fighting for it since after WWI.
getting personal Who cares where I am from. Afterall there are not so many 2M countries As long as I bring money to turkish resort it doesn't matter .... And we don't question eachother here ... we talk and present our opinions on things. We are a little politicians here. Those bigger are in the parliament and they can get hot too sometimes They sure are not upset boys aren't they ? hehe It seems to me that you are upset since Turkey does not play bigger role in world politics ? I mean coming out with things like #5 military power in the whole world and #2 in Nato is kind of pathetic isn't it ? Ok the topic is kurds....they are repressed wherever they live and there are over 30M of them. So we give all kinds of people the right to have their country but kurds ... NO they cannot have it. I always wondered about this until I grew up studied history and realized that they keep the Kurds there stretched so they can light a match and start some big kabum if they want to. It has been done so many times in history but normal people without access to all the science and books ( which is 99% the case with turks - I mean some still live in a rock ) just don't understand ....
Yea, you're right. I don't know anything about the jurd/turkey issue at all. Notice how I was asking questions?
Nothing wrong with admitting that you don't know something, open mind and desire to learn is the best thing that you can have.
Offtopic You have 3 black dots left with me I saw you posting some smart posts in other topics. Nothing muslim related though .... still waiting to see something smart from you in P&R
I didn't ask to question you, just out of curiosity, but i guess you don't want to name it, ok that's cool. Upset about playing a bigger role: no, i know we do not nor i would like to, there's a saying here: "Big heads have big troubles", but you seem to worship US' power so i intended to point out you overestimate it. Kurds & country thing: The issue is not Kurds having a country in this. Why would US or EU truely care about it anyway? Seriously do you think they would? Of course not. They would consider giving American black people one first if they cared about freedom of ethnicities, or the North arficans in France, no? There are more of them They name people with guns as terrorists when their benefit clash and freedom fighters when benefits match. That's just the promotional part of the hidden agenda. What you said for Turks were pretty offensive, but i understand why you say that, pain will heal do not worry.
Country where I come from is irrelevant but just so you don't wonder anymore I will tell you. I am from Slovenia. ( I knew your hidden agenda here before you knew it ) Interesting....some americans here are saying that i am muslim and terrorist fan and here comes the turk guy saying I am US fan or idealist od US power or something. What pain and healing ? Are you seeing white mouses ? Tell me how you understand and why I am saying (your last sentence - see hidden agenda up ) hehe amateur ..... What I am saying about turks is history fact and not offensive. I agree truth can sometimes be offensive . The fact is that some turks still live in a cave ...even if it sounds offensive this is true! Btw you can get some literature and read about your history. Even some turks are objective but it would be better if you read a book or two from a nobel prize winner Ivo Andric - http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1961/index.html He was a croat writing about Bosnia and turkish rule. Books he wrote are quite brutal and it will give you another perspective of your grandparents !