PageRank for a website with no backlinks

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  1. Rivmedia

    Rivmedia Notable Member

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    #61
    Is everyone forgetting that PR is about Page Quality and has nothing todo with Links, serps etc.

    As long as the content is good and you submit a sitemap so the SE's know your there, thats all you need. Write cracking content and away you go.

    Of course Backlinks help as it allows google to crawl your site more offen and also it passes PR but it is 100% possible to get PR with out backlinks yes:eek:
     
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  2. twalters84

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    #62
    Hey there,

    PR is about the page quality of the sites that link to you ;)

    Sincerely,
    Travis Walters
     
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  3. Rivmedia

    Rivmedia Notable Member

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    #63
    how do explain PR with out back links ? It's based on a number of things mainly good content. Quality of links to you will only help increase page rank which wasnt the original question
     
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    #64
    As others have pointed out. Use Yahoo Site Explorer to check your backlinks or you could use your webmaster tools in your Google account. The regular backlink checker in Google is purposely (very) incomplete.
     
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  5. Zibblu

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    #65
    PR is all about links. That's all it is a measure of. How would Google assign PR based on this "Page Quality" you speak of?
     
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  6. Rivmedia

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    #66
    Sorry confused myself you are correct after i made them posts i though, shit got that wrong lol
     
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    #67
    Pagerank is based on quality backlinks. The more the quality backlinks you got, the higher the PR on your site.
     
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    #68
    Either you didn't read it, or you need to study more. The very page you linked to, and the formular THAT links to, say that PageRank is calculated solely by links, nothing else, period, end of story. That's it.

    I'm hoping that with the correction you did you know it has nothing to do with content?

    Only if by Quality you mean the links pointing at them. It can be a blank page with nothing at all on it and still have PageRank.

    No, see above.

    I'm not guessing here, this isn't my opinion, this is a well established fact.

    -Michael
     
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  9. Minterest

    Minterest Well-Known Member

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  10. twalters84

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    #70
    Hey there,

    I did the read the entire article, it has multiple pages, so please look over this one..

    http://pr.efactory.de/e-further-factors.shtml

    PR(A) = (1-d) + d (PR(T1)×L(T1,A) + ... + PR(Tn)×L(Tn,A))

    L(Ti,A) is a measure of the quality of the link.

    Now, as for websites that do not have backlinks, two things could be happening here.

    1. Another website is transferring PR to the website by means of a 301 redirect.

    2. Google assigns a special evaluation of the page. Do not believe me? Read over this page of that article then:

    http://pr.efactory.de/e-pagerank-yahoo.shtml

    "Modification of the PageRank Algorithm"

    Sincerely,
    Travis Walters
     
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  11. mvandemar

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    #71
    Wrong. And I'm sorry you don't understand it, but it is still nothing but backlinks. It has to do with how many backlinks are pointing to the pages that link to those websites as well... but it is still just backlinks.

    a) That article is talking about theory, not reality.
    b) You still apparently don't understand what you are looking at.

    -Michael
     
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  12. twalters84

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    #72
    Hey there,

    The reality is some websites have high PR ratings with no apparent backlinks.

    There is some mechanism that causes the websites to have a high PR.

    A mathematical explanation is a pretty good one if you ask me.

    By the way, the original PR formula in that article came from the original google paper and the later article has references from google patents.

    Sincerely,
    Travis Walters
     
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  13. mvandemar

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    #73
    No, there aren't. The fact that Google doesn't show the backlinks using the link: command has nothing whatsoever in common with them not being there.

    I'm not debating that. You keep wanting to insert things into that formula that aren't there, however. It's a way to calculate the links recursively. That's it. Period.

    -Michael
     
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  14. twalters84

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    #74
    Hey there,

    Okay, let's do this by an example then.

    Website: www.envizionartists.org

    Fake Pagerank Checker: http://www.expireddomainup.com/domain-tools/fake-page-rank-detection.html

    This tool should report if there is a 301 redirect correct? You will see this is a valid PR4 website.

    By the way, I would never do link:website on google. That is useless. I use yahoo to check backlinks it is more complete.

    So let's see what we get when we type link:www.envizionartists.org into yahoo:

    Two incoming links:
    - www.ccwglobal.org (PR5)
    - www.massglobalaction.org (PR5)

    Do you think a website can reach PR4 status with two PR5 links? I really doubt this. So how do we explain the PR4 page rank then?

    Sincerely,
    Travis Walters
     
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    #75
    Yes, absolutely. This is perfectly normal. It is why the inner pages that are one link in of a PR5 homepage are all PR4 when only the homepage links to them.

    That is in fact exactly the way it works. In most cases with pages with very few links pointing at them, when the pages doing the linking aren't overloaded with tons of outbound links, you would expect pages to be one PageRank lower than the highest PageRank link linking to them.

    -Michael
     
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    #76
    Don't forget the PR is calculated at a snapshot in time... whatever links are there now may be very different to when the PR was calculated.

    Apart from that it would not surpirse me if 2 quality PR5 links is enough to get a PR4
     
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    #77
    Hey there,

    Alright, let's take one more example then.

    According to your theory, a PR4 website should have a PR5 backlink.

    Website: http://garybeckman.com/ (PR4)

    So typing link:http://www.garybeckman.com/ reveals 129 inlinks.

    Looking over these links, I can not find anything above a PR1. Neither can the tool at domain-pop.com.

    How would you explain this PR4 ranking?

    Sincerely,
    Travis Walters
     
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    #78
    Hey there,

    Haggisv, you do have a good point about that snapshot in time.

    That makes me wonder, are there any SEO tools that keep track of backlink history? That would make a very interesting SEO tool.

    Sincerely,
    Travis Walters
     
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    #79
    And why are you considering the backlinks at Yahoo... google counts its own backlinks and not by yahoo... so how can a site with just 129 backlinks get a PR of 6..... thats my question
     
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    #80
    Ok, that is not even close to what I said. I said that if you had a PR5 link that would obviously be enough.

    I'm done with you, believe what you want. This is stupid. I'm unsubscribing.

    -Michael
     
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