Crazy 3 year old Muslim girl talks about hating Jews

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by bogart, Oct 5, 2007.

  1. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    #101
    lol @ that ^

    I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. She doesn't.
     
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  2. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #102
    Interesting who he took issue with and who he didn't, eh ly2?
     
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  3. bogart

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    #103
    Millions of people worked for the nazis and there are millions of muslim extremists. So according to the Gworld that makes it o.k. to "kill the jews"

    I've read Gworld's posts and he never has a bad word to say about muslim extremists.

    According to Gworld he is the "salt of the earth"

    If you would read a book everything will be o.k. and you will no longer hate muslims for killing americans.

    Osama bin Laden endorses Defence of the Muslim Lands by Sheikh Abdullah Azzam discusses the effectiveness of suicide bombings and will make you a better muslim extremist.
     
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  4. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #104
    LOL. That is funny coming from a Holocaust denier. It is here for everyone to see when you used your friends web site as the source for your post talking about "alleged killing of Jews", "Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin were Jews" and how Hitler was "nice' to Jews. Are you going to add even more to your lies when it is so easy to expose you as the hateful bigot that you are?

    I encourage every one to read the following post to see who bogarts friends are.

    Bogart the Holocaust denier.

    Don't you think you should wait couple of years before you turn your hatred on Jews? It is not accepted policy by neo-cons to blame Jews for present failures yet. Your friends can get angry since they have just given you permission to be a hateful bigot against Arabs and Muslims. :rolleyes::D
     
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  5. bfebrian

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    #105
    Millions of people worked for the christian nazis and there are millions of muslim extremists.
     
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  6. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #106
    You are still not going to say that muslim extremism is wrong, eh :D
     
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  7. bfebrian

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    #107
    why he must? he can do anything he want as long as not breaking any laws...
     
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  8. Ireq

    Ireq Peon

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    #108
    Maybe there are some reasons why Jews are persecuted by the other nations. Isnt their lust for power and money and their conviction of being the best that generate so much hatred around?
     
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  9. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #109
    I'm Jewish.

    Jews have been attacked and hated through the centuries. During the middle ages, Jews who had primarily been driven from what was known as Palestine lived throughout the known world, primarily in Muslim nations and European nations.

    During the middle ages, Jews flourished in Muslim nations, while primarily being attacked in Christian European nations. Some of the greatest Jewish Law/interpretation of the Torah (the old testament) was written by Jewish religeous leaders in Muslim nations.

    The Nazi's of course defiled humanity at a scale never before seen. The historical tactics of blaming Jews for all the world's woes took a turn of inhumanity never before seen.

    Nazi hatred was not just directed at Jews but many other types of people. For example the Nazi's similarly tried to wipe out Gypsies.

    The horrors of that time period are memorialized for all to remember. Not because of the horror against the Jews....but because it is a horror against mankind by a madman.

    That type of horror has reoccurred throughout the world. We see tribal genocide in Africa. It is the same type of horror.

    Once Israel was developed in 1948, Muslim hatred of the Jews exploded. The Islamic world ties Judaism and Israel together. Even as this occurred some nations maintained better relations with their Jewish citizens than others. Morocco has been an example of better treatment of Jews, relatively speaking. The better the treatment of Jews in these Islamic nations, people who had been citizens of these nations for hundreds if not thousands of years has been a function of the opposite growth of fundamental Islam. The more radical and hate filled the native Islamic environment the more hostile toward the existing Jewish populations. That is why Jews migrated to Israel from these nations. It wasn't easy to leave if they could trace their ancestries in these lands for hundreds or thousands of years but the changing hate environment drove them to leave.

    So if that there are remainder tiny Jewish populations in various Islamic nations it is nothing to point to as good treatment of Jews. Huge populations of Jews left all Islamic nations. It was a result of targeted hatred, primarily stemming from extremist Islamic cultures.

    To get back to the OP. That a 3 year old girl would preach hatred is an example of the sick society that prevails.

    In the 1930's and 1940's that type of hatred manifested itself in Nazi Germany. Today it manifests itself in the most extreme Islamic cultures. Even as that exists realize that Israel has now had relatively long term peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan. There may no longer be any Jews in those nations...but the nations have been able to resist the worst aspects of the extreme fundamentalists and establish peace rather than the periodic wars over the first 25-30 years of Israel's existance.

    Again, when a 3 year old is expressing hatred to a group of people that is a reflection of the sickness of the society.

    The current Islamic hatred toward Jews stems from this period. It has only gotten worse. The battles between Jewish Israeli's and Muslim Arab nations continued for many years.

    Of more recent times the Arab nations have not turned to war but various radical Islamic groups have become the carriers of this hatred.
     
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  10. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #110
    Did I ever say that it was right? :rolleyes::confused:

    Your problem is that I equally dislike all the hateful bigots who support violence and killing, be it an Arab, a Canadian or an American.

    I think that anyone who believes in 2000 years old books to regulate his life today is stupid, be it a Christian or a Muslim. I don't hate anyone and I support what is right and that is the reason I can admit to the faults of Christians or Muslims. On the other hand, your anger toward Muslims and violence is just a disguise to hide your own hate and bigotry.

    In my eye, you as a hateful Christian bigot are as bad as any hateful Muslim bigot. :)
     
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  11. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #111
    Almost from birth, Muslim children are taught to hate Christians and Jews and glorify muslim jihadist terrorism

    Palestinian children who are taught to Hate Jews - watch the video here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWxkNTTIu3U&mode=related&search

    Still trying to explain away muslim extremism using gworld tactic#1 - "change the arguement to christans"
     
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  12. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    #112
    What if you have no religion, and you never attempt to disguise your hate? Kind of like me and you? What does that make us?
     
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  13. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    #113
    Wow, speaking of power hungry and money hungry. Look no further than the muslim pigs who run the handful of muslims countries. 995 of the population live like animals while the oil men and dictators live like kings.
     
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    #114
    And the US government keeps those oil men and dictators in power.
     
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  15. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    #115
    We need that oil =\
    Even the countries we don't like operate the same way, so I can't see that we are to blame. When you find islam, you find dictators and bad living conditions.
     
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  16. guerilla

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    #116
    Earl, I like you a lot. And I thought this was a great post.

    But I have a problem with it.

    You completely omitted the situation with Palestine. You refer to Israel as "developed".

    I agree, extremism is ugly, hate is a sin. There are Islamic countries and individuals that are very dangerous.

    But let's not forget Palestine. Let's not forget the way Sharon would roll into camps, not permit the UN in afterwards, when they were just smoldering rubble.

    Let's not forget about the rocket bombs into Israeli civilian areas.

    I just thought of this, and I could be wrong but a possible reason why Jews get poorly treated in other Islamic countries, is the fear that the Jews might try to take that country as well, with help from Britain and the US.

    Please don't forget Palestine. I don't even care who is right or wrong anymore, people on both sides need to stop fighting.
     
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  17. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #117
    Thanks for your comment, guerilla. First, admittedly my bias is toward Israel. I'm also older and have friends who are muslim, lived in a small cul-de-sac with former middle easterners, including muslims, arab christians and jewish israelis, americans, europeans, etc. And we all got along. I have dealt with foreign nationals....and I work to keep an open mind and work toward acceptable compromises .....but I'll acknowledge my biases.

    With regard to Palestine, my perspective was best described by the title bolded, by GTech, of all people, in this post, http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=4114101&postcount=43.

    From my perspective the Palestinian issue is painful insofar as the population of people are amongst the most abused in the world for the last 50-60 years.

    All should acknowledge lots of responsibility. In my mind the onus of responsibility falls on various Arab leaders of different nations, and the most extremist of Islamic fundamentalists in 2 ways.

    1. Despite enormous amounts of land no Arab nations have fully offered to repatriot the Palestinians.
    2. Over time even with great excesses of money landing within the oil rich Arab nations, no leaders have made an effort to provide for and help the decades of Palestinians.

    While the leadership of these nations have talked big proclaiming Arab solidarity and for decades death to Israel they have taken no substantive steps to help those that they claim are their brethran.

    The leadership of Arab nations and the extremists have led these people into horrible conditions.

    Peace has occurred in the middle east. There are peace agreements between Jordan and Israel and Egypt and Israel. They have been in place for years. They aren't the world's strongest peace agreements but they are far better than conditions between Syria and Israel, for instance.

    Israel has been the most threatened single nation in the world over the last 60 years. It has had several full fledged wars, sometimes with the same nations and had to defend itself against various forms of battle with Palestinian elements.

    In those battles with Palestinians over many decades it has been a battle between a well armed modern army and essentially guerilla warfare that is heightened by terrorism. The terrorism is at its worst when suicide individuals and groups attack any Israeli's (Jew and Arab) at any time in any place).

    Look through the history of Israeli response to terrorism. It is invariably measured and reactive. Several terrorist attacks occur THEN Israel responds with heavier fire power. During the last Intafada that sequence occurred again and again. First several terrorist attacks then response. Go through the news, go through the time periods. You will see that response again and again.

    You know what Israeli commentators say about those periods? This one will last 2 years or 3 years or 5 years. They last for a long time.....until the various populations get weary of the fighting.

    Look at the history of support for the Palestinian people. Look at the difference between words from the Arab world and actions.

    Lots of talk about being brothers. No substantial assistance.

    It is a manifistation of governments and Islamic power groups that do better by maintaining the hatred. The groups stay in power. Nobody questions whether thay are corrupt or aggressively helping their people out of poverty. Their population is repeatedly reminded of the hatred aspect. There is no mention of better alternatives.

    That process has repeated itself endlessly for 60 years.

    The map that accompanied the thread and post wherein I referenced GTech is somewhat misleading.

    Even as the amount of land that Israel controls has grown from 1948....Israel controlled even more land at various times after wars or the invasion of Lebanon.

    Israel has ceded land back to the Arabs historically a number of times. It is not as a nation territory hungry. As a nation it wants to defend itself.

    Look at Gaza more recently. That was Israeli controlled territory with a tiny Israeli population within the 1.5 million Gazans.

    The Israeli army forcibly removed its "settlers" from that land and ceded it to the Palestinians. The forcable evacuation was as close as it comes to violence without actual violence between the settlers and the army.

    IMO the extremist Israeli Right Wing is as troublesome as the Arabic Extremists. The Israeli Right Wing wants territory. They are the ones in the West Bank and they were the ones in Gaza. They exacerbate the Israeli political situation. I have no love for them.

    Yet the Israeli government took extraordinary steps to remove these people from Gaza. That was a large step. It has never been reciprocated in any way by the Extremist population of Arabs. Hamas now rules Gaza and they hold the most extreme positions. They want to fight. They want to keep the fight going. They take no steps to moderate and try and improve their situation.

    While that is occurring RIGHT NOW Israel is taking peace actions with Abbas on the West Bank.

    Right now we are seeing a real difference in interactions with Palestinians. We will see what happens in the future. There are no overly loud voices coming out of any Arab lands promoting these peace ventures with Abbas. No major Arab nations are wildly supporting this.

    They don't believe they can support this, if they had the remotest interest in doing so. Too much extremism exists in too much of the Arab Muslim nations.

    but we will see.

    Clearly over this 50-60 year period the Palestinians have suffered. Some of the sufferings are because of Israeli excesses.

    I still maintain that most of the suffering comes from a combined Arab leadership of nations and Fundamentalists that have abandoned the Palestinians for 50-60 years.

    Why didn't Arafat step to the plate when peace negotiations were virtually tied down, with the help of Clinton.

    Arafat, as corrupt as any leader, had too much to lose, in no longer having an enemy in Israel. In those negotiations Israel would have ceded extensive amts of land. Arafat walked away from them.

    I certainly don't have all the answers. I'd rather see peace than war. But I'd never give up the right to defend myself or my people. If those efforts create horrible situations ....that becomes the costs of defending oneself.

    The jews in Arab nations that have largely migrated to Israel and elsewhere started receiving terrible treatment as early as 1948 once Israel bacame a nation. The treatment worsened over time. They largely migrated to Israel, the states, and elsewhere long long long before Israel was a real power, long before the evolution of hatred to Israel had any cognition that Israel could become a power. There is no truth to that idea.

    Palestinians are no doubt a poor, oppressed people living in lousy conditions. They have received all the verbal support from Arab/Islamic leaders over 60 years. They have received no actual help. No arabic nations wanted them to migrate into any land at any time. No financial help. No efforts to improve their lots.

    You know what kind of help they received from Saddam before and other extremists now? Become a sucide bomber and we will send money to your family. That is some kind of help.

    If there is some level of peace between Abbas, the West Bank Palestinians, and Israel except some things to happen that are similar to what happened in Gaza. Israeli military will remove Israeli settlers from some land. It might be more violent amongst Israeli's than what happened in Gaza. But it will occur.

    If it proceeds I bet you will hear or read about virtually no Arab/Islamic support from any nation or group there. The governments are too fragile and too nervous about extremism within their own populations.

    So if it proceeds, see who is stepping up to improve conditions for the West Bank Palestinians; the Arab brethren or the Israeli's. I doubt you will see support in real actions from the Arab brethren since they have never done so in any substantial way during 60 years.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #118
    There is a big difference between I and you. You can be right that none of us has religion but while you hate a group of people because of their race or religion, I hate no one. I hate ignorance and bigotry and apply it equally. I dislike a hateful bigot no matter if he is Christian, Jew, Muslim or American, Canadian or from one of the Arab countries. :)
     
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    #119
    That's right, he just doesn't take issue with muslim bigots on DP:D
     
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    #120
    Are you serious?

    Someone should show you a map or globe...
     
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