Why do American love gun?

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  1. comboy

    comboy Well-Known Member

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    #41
    It'd better not to have gun. Anyone include criminals
     
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  2. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    #42
    But since that's not reality, you don't mind if I keep my guns just in case, do ya? :)
     
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    Fedorpheux Active Member

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    #43
    If I'm translating this right, I think you're saying that you don't need a gun license in the U.S. and that's why everybody has guns. But that is wrong in every way possible. You do need a license and certainly your statistic of 99 out of 100 is quite inaccurate.

    I support gun rights. If you're somebody who doesn't support gun rights and your biggest reason is because they cause violence or injuries or something like that, I will lose a great deal of respect for you and your intelligence. Humans will always find a way to be stupid and hurt/kill each other with whatever inventions we create and leave lying around.
     
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    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #44
    You only need a license for concealed weapon. Not to have a gun at house or business :cool:
     
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  5. Kerosene

    Kerosene Alpha & Omega™ Staff

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    #45
    Damn straight :D Guns are for sissies.
     
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  6. sawz

    sawz Prominent Member

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    #46
    this is getting funny, i like to read what people have to say, especially when they don't know what the hell there talking about. it shows the level of your intelligence.

    i can walk into a gun store and purchase a rifle or shotgun and take it home then, handguns take a little longer,

    i don't need a permit.

    guns are for sissies? let see someone enter your house at night with no good intentions, lets see how fast your willing to use a firearm to protect your family.

    you have no clue what it means to own a firearm, and living in your third world countries, you never will.
     
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  7. Kerosene

    Kerosene Alpha & Omega™ Staff

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    #47
    Third world countries? I live in a country where there's no need to protect my home and family using a firearm. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. sawz

    sawz Prominent Member

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    #48
    you must live on another planet. cause there is no place on earth where crime don't exist.

    either that or you live in a fantasy world full of fairies and faun's.

    or you don't give a shit.
     
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  9. Kerosene

    Kerosene Alpha & Omega™ Staff

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    #49
    Yes we have crime here. But even our most violent crimes are no match for the day to day gun crime you have in the USA.
    It just seems that the gun culture in the USA always comes back to protecting yourselves from a possible threat (sounds familiar), but often ends in tragedy when people snap and go nuts on the community. I honestly feel much safer in Australia, than in the USA (although I haven't been to the States since the late 80s).
     
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  10. sawz

    sawz Prominent Member

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    #50
    i'm gonna rush right out and move to Australia:

    Two Killed in Australia Shooting



    this shit is everywhere. so don't try and exclusively relate it to Americans.
     
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  11. Kerosene

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    #51
    Yes we have gun crime here, but how often?
    That news story you posted is from 5 years ago (October 21, 2002). The one I posted is from today.
    You pretty much prove my point for me.

    Yes guns are 'everywhere' to a degree. The difference is, the USA loves guns - the rest of world hates them.
     
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  12. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #52
    I don't love guns, I however do love what our country was founded on and that pesky thing called the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    I wont even try to dispute there is more or less gun violence in the States. There however is more to it than simply do we have guns or not, such as our culture, population and more.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21181488/

    Here is a story that just happened in my state, guy killed 6 people. He however was a sheriff's deputy. A case where perhaps legal citizens owning guns could have protected themselves from someone who is of course going to have one.

    Any way you look at it, I'll take freedom and what our country was founded on over the possibility of being a bit safer day to day. The government becoming corrupt and evil is a far greater worry and would cause far more damage/deaths than random gun violence. No matter how bad that random gun violence is.
     
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  13. Kerosene

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    #53
    That's what caused the problem in the first place! Citizens (and police) who legally own guns aren't immune from going nuts. That new story is the one I linked to earlier BTW, we do have international news down here :)

    Again with the "I have a gun just incase..." argument. You guys seem to be living in fear (and arming yourselves accordingly) of what could happen, or who could invade your home. Your government is already heading down the "corrupt and evil" path pretty fast, and a bunch of activists with guns isn't going to stop them. Especially since most of the gun owners are probably pretty happy with where the USA is going anyway.

    Good post GRIM, I just don't agree with most of it :)
     
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  14. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #54
    Nobody is 'immune' from going nuts, with that logic though we better not have any cars, any gas, any knives, hell we all should live in rubber rooms.

    This is at a small scale, imagine the government ordering it's troops to do what this one sheriff's deputy did, multiply the death by 1,000 minimum.

    I didn't read your link as no amount of gun violence is going to change my mind ;)
    #1 it is not a 'just in case' argument, it is following what our founding fathers setup. Your approach is what exactly? Sit idlely by and if/when your government decides to start becoming trully evil simply roll over and die?

    #2 Again our government is far from perfect, I however do not see them fully destroying the constitution, rounding up it's citizens to be executed in mass numbers, declaring a president life long king. Nothing to justify war with the government. You never thought that the pure knowledge that it's citizens are armed wouldn't possibly stop an evil dictator from starting in the first place? Interesting.

    #3 Most of the well armed citizens are X Military, alot of gun toting back woods hicks support the president. Even if all gun owners supported the president and how things are going currently, currently it is not to the point that violence is needed anyways. Not all gun owners do support what is going on, less would support it if the government started rounding it's citizens up and executing them, burning the constitution, putting a life long king in place to rule, etc.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, freedom and following what our country was founded on is more important to me then the possibility of being more secure, be it false or real security.

    An evil government would cause much more damage and much more death than random gun violence, just look at Communism/Natzi and others for proof of that.
     
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    susieqgram Peon

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    #55
    I'm with you comboy, I hate guns.
     
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    #56
    The sad thing is, our founding fathers were so concerned about their right to own guns that they neglected to protect other rights that they took for granted. The production of marijuana, for instance, was so common in colonial times that it would have seemed absurd to take away that right. Thomas Jefferson cultivated enough of it on his own property to warrant a life sentence in modern times. Frankly, I think we would have been better off with marijuana than we are with guns.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #57
    I am pro marijuana being legalized, the two however draw no comparison. Marijuana no matter how much you love it, for whatever reason is not necessary for a free state.

    On that note however, a free state should not ban something such as this.
     
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    #58
    Many of us like guns because we are not afraid of guns.

    Now I'm not accusing anyone on this board, but most of my friends who are 'against' owning a gun are scared of guns. One anti-gun guy I know didn't even want me to open the case that had an old .45 in it.

    Rather than admit they are afraid, many make the excuse that they are against them.

    /*tom*/
     
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  19. Kerosene

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    #59
    Many of 'you' like guns because you're afraid of the world and what it might do to you.

    The rest of the world seems to get along pretty well without this obsession with guns and violence that the USA has. Infact, some would say we're doing a little better.
     
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    #60
    which state are you talking about? :D
     
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