8 year old girl murdered when going to restroom in shop.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by dimeadozen, Oct 7, 2007.

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    This happened a few suburbs from where i live and it still is fresh on peoples minds. It questions who rights are more considered the victims or the perpetrator.

    This is a source of when it happened-

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/police-name-murdered-girl/2006/06/27/1151174178075.html

    And now when presented at trial -

    http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22463728-2761,00.html

    In my mind you lose all leniency once you have committed the crime. In Australia my state WA is one of the states that doesnt have a public register of pedeophiles, which disgusts me as we have a right to know who is considered a threat to our children and how close they are in proximity to them.
     
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    He hadn't been previously convicted of anything though had he?
     
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    It was also revealed that an earlier indecent assault charge against Arthurs involving another eight-year-old girl three years earlier was dropped.


    there is another article which was on the previous indecent assault which the parents of that girl issued but i can not locate at present will do if found :( .
     
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    That is horrible, poor little girl. Where I live they make that information public. They will also mail a letter out to everyone in the neighborhood with the pedophiles complete address and name. I agree with that, why should they protect a pedophiles identity? Let it be known so parents can be reminded to protect there children.
     
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    We can't go publishing peoples names in lists of paedophiles if the case is dropped.
     
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    For him I was talking about the leniency of his sentence and the additional charges that were dropped, which had happened.

    In general I was venting my frustration about our state not having a public registry to advise us of such people and the concern that every parent has a right to know.

    I knew were you were going from your first question - wondered why it took you so long to get here , and some how I was expecting you to bring your theoretical disputes about religion in to it - yes you are that predictable..btw:p
     
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    i really can't belive WTF is wrong with ppl !
     
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    I don't believe people do have a right to know. Certainly not given the current intelligence levels of most people. People should just protect their children 100% all the time and get on with their lives, Not scouring paedophile registers looking for a reason to be frightened.
     
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    Everybody/parent has a right to know if a pedophile has moved into proximity of there dwelling and child's school. It is more frighteneing not knowing which leads to the obvious http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_49785.html , but that was just stupidity at it it's best.

    And just because you know doesn't mean that you are going to start a radical movement it just means that you are aware and are cautious of your children being near that house/person. If you commit the crime of abusing a child then the community/society has every right to know about it.

    There are way to many sick individual's in this regard and there is no way to excuse them or call for freedom and excuse what they have done. Parents (majority there of ) do protect their children 100%, but why should we settle with our state government hiding those that they convict and letting our guards down when they need to be up?
     
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    If the reason is that people can protect their children more they should actually ask themselves why their protection is currently so limited.

    All a public register will do is increase needless fear, Prevent children living a healthy sociable life and give imbecilic vigilante mobs a reason to kick someones door down.
     
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    It seems needless to respond to you but am drawn to "your" logical thinking, are you a parent stOx?
     
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    Please don't question, feed, or touch the stox. He is the unofficial DP troll. ;)
     
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    No i'm not, But that has nothing to do with it. And if i was a parent id rather live in a world where i have to care for my child regardless if there is a sex offender around or not than living in a world where mobs are kicking peoples doors down.

    Nothing constructive would come from publishing lists of sex offenders.

    If you are a parent, What age are your kids?
     
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    They already post pictures of sex offenders. Everytime a sex offender moves into our neighborhood, we get a flyer in the mail with the persons name. Why are you so quick to defend all the wrong people? Terrorists, child molesters, killers, etc?

    P.S. I'm taking you off ignore, obviously it's not working because when I see your posts I automatically click 'view post'. So much for self control :)
     
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    WTF is this. People just lost their minds
     
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    I am a parent - 8, 4, 3 and 1.

    And as a parent you know you are protecting your child 100% but you also want to know what the hell is going on around your children, turning a blind eye and looking through rose colored windows isn't going to stop them from being hurt.

    Doing what you suggest and turning a blind eye and not acknowledging what is going on and around them is what may contribute to them being hurt....it is better to be informed and prevent it than just take it as it comes...

    But get back to me when you do have children as I am sure your view will change.
     
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    I'm not defending them. I just don't think regular people can be trusted with knowing where they live. This was proven when the idiots who are likely to take the law in to their own hands are the kind of people who can't tell the difference between a paediatrician and a paedophile. They are the people we should be protected from, Not some old nonce.

    You don't let them out on thier own do you?
     
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    Disgusting!! I think they can shoot pedofiles!! There is no way they won't do it again after doing it once. I cannot belive that they are being put back to the sociaty!
     
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    No I don't let them out on there own because of the way some individuals in society are.

    But that is not the point, how are we to know that some pedophile has come from another state to here were i live and taken on a job as a jainitor, pe teacher, shop assitant.. If there was a register in place it would be way quicker to pick them up then waiting for something to happen to an innocent child first and then be told he/she has had a prior record.

    Giving benefit of the doubt is one thing - defending previously convicted is another.

    You need to acknowledge what you are saying before it reaches the page!
     
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    They already have measures to prevent them getting jobs with children. In the UK we have CRB checks and i assume you have the same. It makes sense to stop them working with kids, What doesn't make sense is giving the information to the general public.
     
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