Turkish envoy warns against U.S. genocide resolution. (Armenians didn't pay enough to republicans, to have the genocide truth recognised by US.) .............. Certainly, no expense is being spared. Justice Department records show that Turkey signed a $100,000 -a-month contract in May with the lobbying firm DLA Piper, one of several hired to fight the resolution. Separately, Turkey paid Bob Livingston , former House Appropriations Committee chairman, $625,000 for work from March 1 to Aug. 31 , records show. Last month, Turkey added the public relations firm Fleishman-Hillard to its roster at $113,000 a month............. "Silence is genocide's greatest ally, and I am very happy that the silence regarding the Armenian genocide will be ending next week," said Rep. Jim Costa , D-Calif. "It is well past due that the Armenian genocide finally be recognized as such in our nation." ........... http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/2...05bcturkey_attn_national_foreign_editors_ytop Does that mean that the jews paid everybody so they can have their genocide recognised?
No thread is a real thread without a shot at jews or americans. OK, I'm ready, let the fun begin! :::fastens seatbelt:::
Very pure, very honest, innocent, did no wrong to anybody, always the victims - republicans, islamic terrorists, democrats playing games to get more bone etc.........
So far, just a bit of turbulence, hope this ride gets exciting soon or I'm going to ask for a refund!
Difference is Jewish holocaust is real whereas this one is complete imagination, see: apples & oranges. And the money thing, i hope you realise how a couple of 100k's a little bit of money when it comes to government budget, it simply shows Turkey is no professional on the lobbying, unlike the whole diaspora(imagine how much they pay, people whose only motivation in life is this) When you are individually accused of someting, you need to pay a lawyer to defend your side, doesn't mean you are faulty, it works this way in foreign diplomacy every now and then, figure it.
So the Armenians are making this up ha? How come the French recognised it then? And US was close to recognise it before, but because of political games and other immoral reasons US did not recognise it.
Yes Iran doesn't recognise Holocaust, does it make the Holocaust unreal? Thing is, governments use history for politics when they have no authority over it. If it wasn't for the diaspora, US would never give a damn about things like these, totaly out of their concern and expertize if it weren't for politics, it's a matter of pleasing some couple millions of American-Armenian voters and tax payers. Need i remind you what politicians are capable of when such volume of votes and money are on the table.
What about this: ..........The Armenian Genocide was condemned at the time by representatives of the British, French, Russian, German, and Austrian governments—namely all the major Powers. The first three were foes of the Ottoman Empire, the latter two, allies of the Ottoman Empire. The United States, neutral towards the Ottoman Empire, also condemned the Armenian Genocide and was the chief spokesman in behalf of the Armenians. The American people, via local Protestant missionaries, did the most to save the wretched remnants of the death marches, the orphaned children. Despite Turkish denial, there is no doubt about the Armenian Genocide. For example, German ambassador Count von Wolff-Metternich, Turkey's ally in World War I, wrote his government in 1916 saying: "The Committee [of Union and Progress] demands the annihilation of the last remnants of the Armenians and the [Ottoman] government must bow to its demands." German consuls stationed in Turkey, including Vice Consul Max Erwin von Scheubner-Richner of Erzerum [Erzurum] who was Adolf Hitler's chief political advisor in the 1920s, were eyewitnesses. Hitler said to his generals on the eve of sending his Death's Heads units into Poland, "Go, kill without mercy . . . who today remembers the annihilation of the Armenians." Henry Morgenthau Sr., the neutral American ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, sent a cable to the U.S. State Department in 1915: "Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing and from harrowing reports of eye witnesses [sic] it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion." Morgenthau's successor as Ambassador to Turkey, Abram Elkus, cabled the U.S. State Department in 1916 that the Young Turks were continuing an ". . . unchecked policy of extermination through starvation, exhaustion, and brutality of treatment hardly surpassed even in Turkish history." Only one Turkish government, that of Damad Ferit Pasha, has ever recognized the Armenian genocide. ............. http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/genocide.html And these genoside pictures: http://www.armgate.com/genocide/pictures.html
I can't paste all of these, but you can have a look when you have time if you're interested: http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/art-West-Accounts.htm About photos, videos etc. i can paste whole lot more, but it's just a "show off" to target people's sentimental with b/w corpse pictures, so i won't. Besides, we can't get to nowhere under a thread within that issue nor it is the subject, subject is, historicians are welcome to investigate anything here(unlike the locked Armenian documents), it is not up to US congress politicans to decide about Anatolian history.
...... And there is no kurds in Turkey, no other nationalities other than turks in Turkey right Leo? One may only wonder why?
oh leoSeo, i may have been incorrect when i once said that attaturk was involved in the genocide, but a genocide it was. between 1915 and 1917 1.5 million armenians were killed and many thousands deported by the then government of the 'Young Turks' in Turkey. 21 countries around the world now recognise that is was in fact genocide. so what are you suggesting, that all these armenians fell out of police station windows as is so often asserted by turkish police these days when kurdish prisoners mysteriously die whilst in their custody of countless injuries. amnesty international has all these details and many more, a file of actual, not fictional, human abuses, that actual rival if not surpass those of neighbouring iran.
Dude, you really don't know even few about these(you heard sth about these and sth about Ataturk you even combined the two on a previous post when they are pretty irreveleant since those are all you have heard), you basicly echo what you have heard so far by the propaganda and since the Turks are muslims, you suppose that's very likely to be true. "So what are you suggesting, did they fall off the window?"<- that indicates you have no knowledge over how wars occur and no discussion possible on this level. And please, as an English, stop with the human rights related stuff, you are developers of colonization and slavery in this planet. You may want to clean your own garden(like that's ever possible) if you are sincere.
yes britain supported slavery in the 1700s and has committed awful acts of human abuses in more recent times, at the height of the british empire, but the difference is that i and every other british person know about these abuses and accept that they happened/are happening. also the government accepts them, and even apologised recently for supporting the slave trade. we have free speech and a free press. if a journalist says something against the government he/she is unlikely to get a visit from the authorities as a result. the very fact that you are in denial just speaks volumes. it is illegal in germany and austria to deny the holocaust. and trying to wriggle out of a watertight case of genocide by rattling on about elvis and aliens is pathetic.
where did that previous post where you rattled on about elvis and aliens go, thought better of it eh? good man.
I changed it, no discussion on that level is necessary. If you had known what Turks been through at the time, you'd have very different points of view, that's what i'll say. Take the time to read the page i've posted earlier to know more.
ok leo, no doubt back at the beginning of the twentieth century it was a whole different ball game, britain was committing some major atrocities around the world as were many other european countries, but why can't you question your own government and it's lack of conscience regarding what occured with the armenians? you see i constantly question my government about its involvement with the US over iraq etc. it is what you must do as a citizen of your nation. you cannot just allow the government to gag you over issues of such importance. amnesty international states that 2 million kurds have been displaced from south eastern turkey over the past few decades, now if 2 million welsh people or scots had been displaced from britain over the past few decades i would want to organise protests and demos straightaway. i still feel angered over the way the british treated the irish during the potato famine, it was an abomination. and to suggest that i could anti-islamic, though you said that earlier so it might not have been about me, is just ridiculous. for many on this site would argue that i am pro-islam. in fact i am just against human rights abuses whenever and wherever they occur. you should feel the same way. or perhaps you do and just are not aware of what is going on. google 'amnesty turkish human rights abuses' and you will see. and remember many human rights abuses in your nation are not just against ethnic groups but against turkish nationals like yourself.