True Believer? Would you kill your child for God?

Thanks for taking over in this thread debunked. I'll stay out until stOx accuses Christians of eating their own children that they are always killing.

 

Did you expect people to admire your honesty for admitting that you would kill your own child for god? I doubt i could ever find anything to admire about a sadistic animal like you. In fact, I doubt i could ever see you as anything other that utter filth.

 

No, I wouldn't kill my child " if God spoke to me and directed me to".

I would doubt the very nature of "my premise" that "God spoke to me and directed me to... kill my child".

This goes to the very foundation of who I believe God is - He wouldn't, in the very first place, ask me to kill my own child.

Before I doubt who God is, I will doubt MY VIEW of who God is. I will go sift through my own past, my own semantics, the things that brought me to the notion that God "wants me to kill my child" because it is the very foundation (of my understanding of Him) which will delineate whether I am capable of believing that He really "spoke to me and directed me to .. kill my child".

I don't believe He'll ask that of me. I don't believe that because "He asked that of Abraham", he'll ask that of me.

I do believe too that I should put into context the ten commandments' "Thou shalt not kill" into perspective. I also believe that in the very same ten commandments is the first and foremost commandment, "I am the Lord, thy God, thou shalt not have any other gods before me". In that set of commandments, he introduced Himself as my one and only God. In that very set of commandments, He also told me not to kill.
Why would he contradict himself? I have not read yet a new set of commandments.

 

Did I say you would not understand? I think I did. Your point is moot. You have no idea what evil is until you come out of it and look back and see where you have been. How can there be "infanticide" committed if the command does not come forth? You see, this is where you do not understand. I have complete faith in God's will (no matter how much or how little you know about it) that he would never want me to do this act. Why? It would not serve his purpose. Only when you have good knowledge of what that purpose is when you can attain a good understanding of it.

 

No i don't understand. I don't understand how someone would be willing to murder his child. I will proudly say i don't understand that.

Do you not understand why most sane rational people would consider you to be a psychotic maniac? There is no way you can possibly rationalize a willingness to murder your child.

this kind of attitude is exactly the reason we need to stamp religion out and get rid of stupid, irrational and dangerous beliefs that may lead to abhorrent, Wicked and brutal crimes committed by primitive backwards people.

The question wasn't "do you think god would...."
The question was "if god did...."

By the way, According to the bible he already did ask someone to kill their child. If you are going to claim to believe this shit at least have the decency to read the stupid book.

 

Is this a discussion forum or a hate forum? You tell me? Was this question a hypothetical one? All I have seen you do is create opportunities to vent your hatred towards anyone that has faith in God. Why bother?

 

It's a bit of both really. It's a discussion forum if there are reasonable logical people involved. But it's a hate forum when people openly admit to being able to murder their children. Did you really think people were going to look highly upon you saying you'd kill your children if god asked you and praise your immovable faith?

As soon as someone admits to being able to murder their child there is no more discussion to be had.

The situation was hypothetical, But your answer is very much a real one.

 

Who's looking for being looked upon highly? I never asked for that. Is this what you are after? It's the wrong way of going about that, by way of pre-judging and attacking others without foundation to do so.

Here's a good question for you. Be very careful in how you answer it. Especially if you want to be looked upon highly

Do you have the credibility or right to deem others "reasonable logical people"?

 

I don't know, It would depend. I do have the credibility and right to say that people who openly admit to being able to murder their child aren't reasonable logical people, Though.

 

That's straying from the context of the question that was put forth. You forgot the part about God wanting me to (IF he wanted me to). Here you are again taking things out of context. Highlighting one or two things from a discussion (probably on another thread page by now) and making out things are a lot worse than YOU think they are.

Who says you have the right and credibility? Where's you certification that grants your credibility and rights for this?

I can see through your agenda st0x......Oh...I think others might too!

 

You can see through my transparent agenda of wanting to eradicate all religion along with the vile things it causes people to believe? noooo, really?!?! And there was me thinking i had kept it a secret

There is no context to take it out of. You, and that other savage, openly admitted to being willing to murder your child if god asked you to. What context are we missing? You said you would kill your child if god told you to. Can you not see how that makes you a sub-human piece of filth?

 

Wrong. It appears your agenda is to openly vent your hatred on people and having no real basis for. I would be in horror to think of you in a high court as a judge. I can picture it now:

Prosecutor: "Your honour. This man is charged with not paying his parking fines."
Judge st0x: "Do you believe in God?"
Accused: "Yes your honour".
Judge st0x: "You are hereby sentenced to be hanged until dead you disgusting piece of sub-human filth. Next!!"
Prosecutor: "Your honour. This man is charged with stealing from the church."
Judge st0x: "You know it's a crime to steal don't you?"
Accused: "Yes your honour. I promise I won't do it again."
Judge st0x: "You can do 30 hours community service."
Accused: "Thank God for that."
Judge st0x: "Ahem. Make that death by firing squad you religious freak. How dare you walk into MY court room and present your sub-human filth before me!"

 

These are the foundations of my faith. If, for the sake of discussion, in my lifetime, I come to violate the foundation of my faith and come to a point that I will claim "I heard God spoke to me and directed me to... kill my child", I believe it is "me hearing Him" that should be placed in a fishbowl because I am the one who's been inconsistent about who I believe Him to be.

I will ask myself these questions:

1. Is my faith real?

Although I can't claim my faith in God is there every day, every hour, every second, the time when it's there IT IS real. Either I believe (in things unseen, in things yet hoped for... in God) or I don't.

2. What's the foundation of my faith? Or rather, who is the foundation of my faith?

Faith doesn't become faith unless it's anchored on something, or someone. What or who do I anchor my faith to?

The church? The bible? The priests? Pastors? Myself? God?

3. Is the foundation of my faith real?

Do I take Abraham's story in a historical perspective? If so, shouldn't I also take the events that happened after that, into the picture?

If we take the historical perspective and put the time frame into context, Abraham came before Moses.

In genesis 22 (NIV), the chapter titled " Abraham Tested" narrates that " God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

Since this is a translation and the actual manuscript I have not seen (and even if I had, I could never read), should I leave room for the possibility that the word sacrifice and burnt offering went together because in those days sacrifice IS burnt offering?

Should I consider that the actual author of Genesis (the popular notion is that it was Moses, or God thru Moses, who wrote it), used both sacrifice and burnt offering subconsciously because burnt offering is how he understands sacrifice?

Or did he use it consciously because he is writing for his readers (the people at that time) and he knows that's how they understand sacrifice?

Was the title Abraham tested there because the actual point the writer wants to drive is: it was just a test? That the lesson thereafter is "God would not actually ALLOW
anyone in the end to kill his own son?

With the premise that it was Moses who wrote genesis (point of debate to some), shouldn't I remember that He is also the same guy endowed with the "Ten Commandments" tasked to cascade the rules to the people. Should the Abraham story be juxtaposed with Moses' ten commandements? Are this mini-stories that go together, flowing to complete one whole lesson? Was Abraham's story a pre-test to check if the people then really know what God wants from them? Was the climax, the real lesson, embodied in the title "Abraham tested"

Was the lesson: "God only wants Abraham's commitment, He would not really want Him to kill his son"?

Was Abraham chosen because God knows they have a good line of communication? That He is so sensitive to His words that he can stop Him in no time at all? And that he brought Isaac to follow God as well and that he won't be traumatized by the experience after? Is the God of Abraham a God who knows everything? A God who knows that Genesis won't just be read by the people at that time but the people of this era as well? Is he a God who knows that later, the story will be read as one whole book, the story of Moses to be read along with the Abraham story?

Was the story a prelude to driving the most important lesson home? The Ten Commandments?

Or should I take everything in a wider perspective - not just the whole bible but the bible's existence? the existence of those reading the bible?

Should I believe that God is able to know that later, the word sacrifice would mean a lot of different things, not just burning the thing we hold dear? That in a timeframe beyond Moses' own, sacrifice might mean a myriad of different meanings: standing up for what is right, shutting up when it's what's right, letting go, holding on... doing what is difficult for Christ's sake. Doing something anchored on the hope and the faith that it is what God wants us to do.

So we go back to the core question, to the very foundation of my faith:

Would my "God speak [spoke] to me and direct[ed] me to... kill my child?

I don't think so.

Is it possible for me or for anyone to believe that "God spoke to me and directed me to... kill my child".


Yes, I think it's possible for a person to believe that.

No, I wouldn't.

I'd wonder how my image of God got so skewed.

No, let me rephrase that. I'd wonder if it's really God who's speaking to me.

 

Right, because your admission that you would murder your child isn't a good enough basis for disliking you and what you stand for. It's astonishing that you are confused about this. You said you would kill your child if god told you to, And you don't understand why a normal person would have a problem with this?

How about this scenario;
Judge Cheap SEO Services - So you crept in to your child's room and cut their throat while they slept?
defendant - yeah, but god told me to do it.
Judge Cheap SEO Services - Fair enough, Not guilty... Wanna go for a beer some time, i think we have a lot in common.

 

Now we are getting deep. What denotes a normal person? According to you?

Let me put you in a scenario st0x?
Let's say your government decided that you should be appointed executioner of all religious people in your country. The alternative is that you and your family are put to death if you refuse. Would you accept the position?

 

A normal person is someone who isn't prepared to kill their child. I thought this was common knowledge, Strange that you would need it explained to you, AGAIN.

This is stupid. there was no consequence in the question posed to you. You were simply asked if god ordered you to kill your child would you do it, You said yes. And it has forced you to create this contrived scenario where i have to chose between killing millions of people or having a government with a vacancy for executioner kill me and my family.

Your question is like saying "if you have to kill either your son or your daughter which one would you kill". It's contrived.

 

How does it feel to be questioned about your beliefs? You seem to be a little touchy about it. Actually, I should ask how does it feel to be accused when forcibly put into a scenario?

 

Look up what contrived means. If you are reduced to asking contrived questions it means you have lost, And that you know you have lost.

The question posed to you was a simple one with no consequences.

 

Let's get some facts down:

You don't believe God exists.
You don't believe in the Bible.

What other agenda could you have other than venting your hatred towards people who think differently to you?

 

You can think differently, But if you don't have evidence to back up your different belief you should shut your mouth and stop telling people how correct you are.

And certainly don't try to drag science and evidence through this shit filled pond which is your own ignorant "belief".