Article Marketing & ClickBank - My Documented Journey

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  1. emon878

    emon878 Active Member

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    #221
    Hey another great post by Samo. And Don't apologize for going on because
    all your information really helps me out.

    I have one question tho, what is the difference between article marketing
    and bummarketing?

    Thanks again
     
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  2. Samo

    Samo Well-Known Member

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    #222

    Hey thanks for your kindness. And no problem, you're no being pushy at all. Stay positive and go after what you want.

    The auto responder info is coming ... I'm just checking something so I give you accurate info. Rest assured, my posts don't just come out of my head. I have investigate the validity of everythig or I know people who have. That's why writing them takes even more time and effort than than it may seem to the reader.


    Article Marketing vs Bum Marketing


    Bum marketing was coined as a phrase by the guy who wrote a book about the method. It is an excellent technique to use when starting out without a big budget to kick start your busniess.

    What makes it very exciting is that with this method*, it is possible and easy to hit $150 per day inside a month. And I'd say probably even $250/day. And that income is enough for most people to continue with the method AND plan to give up their day jobs within say 3 months.

    It is based on article marketing but is does not represent all the benefits of article marketing. There are many other benefits of article marketing that have not been discussed in this thread.

    So you can say: article marketing is not bum marketing but bum marketing does rely totally on article marketing.

    I promise the auto responder info is coming shortly. ;)

    Success is yours, if you stay the course
    Samo
     
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    #223
    Great posts again, thanks Samo!
     
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  4. emon878

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    Thanks for the info yet again and for all your hard work. It is so greatly appreciated
     
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    Cheers to you Samo, I've done it - something I said I wouldn't but it's on autopilot and some convincing never hurts... Added aweber to a product to test.

    I run a social networking site that's been around since 2002 aimed at model/talent/singles and is a hybrid of mysp/youtube/blogger etc with a few cool features (websocials.com for those that want to take a peak). There are over 10K members, and almost xxx xxx emails collected. We've taken Xigla on for the management tool and it has proven itself worthy here and there however comew with it's maintenance as some of you probably know. Not to get off topic too much, utilizing this list and members has proven to be difficult from a monetization standpoint (yes we got stuck with free rapidly growing members and at the time were not sure how to monetize, and watched others getting bought up quickly). I look back now and wonder how much different I would have done things if I had the knowledge base I do now (as I'm sure many of you would like to start over knowing what you do today ;)). Am going to take this as test to myself - monetize on 10K members should be easy right? Tons of content, tons of indexed pages, tons of ways to affiliate/adsense etc. which we already do but uneffectively. Funny that I have an inventory of niche products that sell like crazy yet this darn site has been haunting me since 02 and I've dumped in QUITE a pretty penny. Anyway thank you for your insight again. You are correct, while I'm not a newbie (11 years and counting in the media sector), advice and opinions are always welcome and I would be silly to think I've got it all figured out.

    Article Marketing is what it is, and can definitely help any campaign, however to get to $250 a day relying solely on freezines/landing pages/multiple sources seems steep (unless like you said, you turn into a machine/automate your power writing somehow).

    I'd love to have the time (come to think of it, each of my posts here could have been an article... grrr), however like most I have huge fish to fry, and maybe not like most, i have a budget, resources and knowledge base so BUM marketing is just not a part of my routine, I would gladly hire you anyday though ;)

    Cheers and perhaps we should chat sometime off the boards (interesting and similar past/path so far).

    All my best, make it a great day!
    Norb.
     
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    #226
    I'm not trying to be a dick to you or anything, but have you actually achieved these kinds of results?

    I've been trying for months, with hundreds of articles and several sites with opt-ins and autoresponders, and I haven't come anywhere close to $100 per day. This stuff is not easy at all.

    Worst of all, my results are not recurring. They die out. I can make $400 a month with a lot of hard work -- but a month later the traffic stops and the sales along with it.

    I will be the first to admit my sales copy sucks, which is why my 300+ subscribers haven't bought a single thing from my autoresponder messages.

    Oh well, I'm just in a bad mood -- sorry to rain on everyone's parade. This stuff is NOT easy, at least not for me.

    Here are some stats from one of my ezinearticles pen names.

    [​IMG]

    3,475 clicks have resulted in about $400 in sales. But they aren't consistent, they've just sputtered out.
     
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  7. Samo

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    Hi Riposte

    I'll make this one a quick post as I have really have a big one to deliver for Emon and others.

    The problem and the soultion are in front of you. You admit that your sales copy is below standards yet yu haven't done anything about it!

    When you do improve that and get some results it boosts your confidence and encourages you to improve and tweak things further.

    Have you seen and read my other posts? I can't make them any longer! I have been at pains to explain the process and it is a process that you need. You need to do split tests and discard any part of the process doesn't perform, such as your sales copy.

    I have done plenty of "article marketing" . I don't do "bum marketing" for two reasons:

    1) I do have more marketing funds than I have time. That's the resverse of what bum marketing is about (for those with more time and less start up capital)

    2) I'm successful with my many other marketing channels. I get as many as 10,000 to 20,000 unique new visitors to my sites per day. Again it wouldn't be worth my while to spend 6 hours per day writing articles.

    But I do know that bum marketing works ....

    You show around 3,500 visits to your site. And you mention that you've been doing this for months. Lets assume you've done this for 3.5 months.

    That means 1,000 visits/month which is 33/day. Have you checked Poynugget's stats!

    You said you've done hundreds of articles. If you do real bum marketing you must do around 30/day which is 1,000/month!

    OK, lets get you and anyone who's struggling some help here:

    Guys, if you want to do bum marketing, then you HAVE to do bum marketing. Not once-in-a-while article marketing. So come oooonnnn chin-up:

    you have not published many articles and for the aritcles you haven't published, you haven't got any income. So where's the harm?!

    Now, if you saw my other post about the opt-in rate - and yes you will need good to great copy in the bio and on the landing page - you could have had a 40% - 60% opt-in rate.

    That equals to about 1,400 - 2,100 subscribers which equals to about say $2,000/month (at an average of $1 - $1.50 per subscriber per month). That is on top of your direct income. HAve you got the subscribers and do you send them great emails!

    Back to bum marketing and article marketing. I have written at length about the SEO aspect of writing that many articles but because you and pretty much most people don't write anything like 30 articles per day, your seacrh engine credibility doesn't build up fast enough.

    Result: by the itme you have some new articles working for you the old ones have dropped off and there is no momentum building up.

    When articles are fresh in the direcroies they get listed on the home page and also get picked up by webmasters and blogs so there is a surge initially. But to make your articles count, you need a process in place, prolific writing and a decent website.

    DId anyone note in bum marketing how the author researched and foudn good products? That is where most affiliate marketers fail - in picking a good product and fialing to test and track its performance.

    Also if the ClickBank sales letter stinks, you've lost befoe you start. Do you know how to identify a good sales letter? I'll tell you about this another time.

    Just note in my other post that success with CB products has nothing to do with the product and everything to do with the sales letter. Similarly success with your own landing page and opt-ins has nothing to do with the products that you offer - free or fee based - but everything to do with your writing.

    Can anyone tell me the number one skill that every newbie marketer ought to learn something about? ... I leve that one with you. I'm backed up on that one by some of the worlds greatest online makrters who make double-dogit millions per year.

    Riposte and everyone else:

    do not drop your heads. Get your chins up. You CAN do it but gotta do it properly. OK, it is not as easy as stealing candy from a kid but it beats a J.O.B. (Just Over Broke) any time. YOu just have to get there.

    If you can't commit to a simplistic plan laid out in front of you, how can you expect your customers to trust you that you are committed to them!

    Now I accept that time is a challenge for all of us. But at least acknowledge the problem is "lack of time" and not the method. So turn the tables. Play by YOUR rules, Work out something that might be a little harder but needs less time. Find something that may need a little more investment but needs less time. Write your own rule! Whatever works. But don't deny other people their rules.

    Watch out for my article or post or something that helps you write articles faster of that's the path you wish to take.

    By the way, have you tested your delivery rate on your auto responder? do you use one or do you just email your subscribers? These are questions for you to think about.

    I really am glad you are here and reading and loooking for answers. I really mean that. YOu now need to take serious action. Also see my next post about auto responders.

    I over did it again :(

    Chins up and stay the course.
    Samo.
     
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  8. Samo

    Samo Well-Known Member

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    My pleasure guys.

    I spent a big chuck of this evening wirting the post below. It is kind of embarrasing as it is huge again. But here we go:

    Emon mentioned a coded phrases ("free ways of doing it") a few posts back in this thread. In order to answer him I wanted to make sure I understood him correctly.

    Though I asked him for confirmation a couple of times he never decoded the message :D

    But then he never denied my suggestions that he might be talking about an auto responder. So while answering his question I'm going to present to you all a complete picture and in the process, tell you about where all the cash is made.

    Emon, I'm just kidding around with you. Here is the complete answer to your question:

    You've read my other posts in this thread and may be the few in the other threads about the need for a "process".

    OK, I won't repeat that but I ask you all to think:

    are you serious about making some serious money online? Then you need to some serious system and some serious tools to get the job done.

    Let me put that another way: can you become an Olympic gold medalist without:

    - a world class coach
    - training 10 hours/day
    - having the best nutrition in the world
    - training with the best
    - using the best equipment, etc?

    Of course not. Why? Because your competitors use the best of the above. Once you are all on an equal footing, using the best of everything, then and only then, your natural abilities (commonly known as talent) will make that final difference ... the difference between Gold, Silver, Bronze and the "also rans" that nobody remembers after the race. You know the ones who have find a job somewhere and tell stories how they had beers after the finals with the medallists.

    You're all spending time in this forum and learning. So you're doing a lot of good work. Next you need to consider a serious tool for a serious job. The job is making a fabulous living online doing what you want, when you want and from any corner of the world you want.

    The tool is an "auto responder" (AR). An AR is a piece of software that sends out predetermined messages to people in its list - your list. It allows you to do things like setting up an email template such as:

    *** Email Template Starts Here ***

    Dear [[first_name]]

    I'm delighted that you chose to download my mini report about <your-niche-goes-here>. You're going to be amazed about the exciting news I have for you in my next email.

    [[first_name]], please expect my next mail in exactly two days.

    In the mean time I'd love to hear about your early impression of the report. Just send you comments or any questions to <your-email-or-support-desk-address>

    Before I go, I want you to download this unadvertised gift which is also related to <your-niche>. I hope you enjoy this too. And please don't share this URL with anyone. It is only for my valued subscribers.

    <the-URL-for-the-gift>

    Til the day after tomorrow
    [[your-signature]]

    *** Email Template Ends Here ***

    You can add as many of such email templates to your AR as you wish. You can schedule them to be sent to your list at the times/dates that you wish. The software automatically replaces the [[first_name]] with the name your subscriber entered, when he was opting in. (see my previous posts in this thread about opt-ins).

    Can you see that the system then automatically works on your behalf even when you're on holiday or just don't feel like working.

    "So what" you may ask and you should too. Always ask questions ...

    Well, here's the cash machine in Article Marketing:

    As you'll see in my monetization report due Sunday or Monday (I'll post you the free download instructions and no forced opt-ins either), you need to have a process in place that does this ...

    Channel your article traffic to a free report or gift download and not the ClickBank sales letter. The report must be directly relevant and in fact "complete" your article and not complement it. Obviously write a compelling bio to get the reader to click through to your landing page.

    Get their contact details using an optin form and then let the auto responder do the rest. Your job is done! Yes it is!

    Say what! Come again ... OK, remember the idea is that you load up your auto responder with predetermined emails*, all personalized so that with every email you effectively talk to your subscriber one-on-one.

    I said "emails". (see my other posts about testing ... also one or two in other threads.)

    So by now you have a bunch of tested and proven emails all set up and sitting in your auto responder. Each is carefully structured so it is highly informative and engaging too.

    Each builds greater trust, respect and a budding relationship between you and your subscriber. After the first couple of emails, you not only inform but also include a recommendation for a relevant product. You can insert a small classified type ad for a product. You can offer a special review of your own for a small fee.

    The list is endless but you get the picture. See what you've achieved? This:

    You've provided quality, interesting and engaging info all the way. Or else your subscriber wouldn't be there, reading your 3rd, 4th etc emails.

    You've proven that you give first before even offering a product.

    You've shown that what you say makes sense. Again they would not be there, reading your email, if you had failed them in anyway.

    Look you're reading this post of mine like the previous ones aren't you! This stuff works. You can't deny it coz you' re reading these exact words right now. The only difference is that my posts are not part of an auto responder series. And I'm not selling anything here.

    Can you see that if these posts were part of my AR series, by now you would have accepted that I know a thing or two about this subject ...

    ... that by now we have a friendly and mutually respectful relationship

    ... that as time goes by we become virtual friends helping each other any time we can

    ... that if I had recommended a product to you round about now, you'd be much less resistant than if you'd read only one article by me!

    ... and none of it is sinister or predatory. It is simply that you have (hopefully) benefited from my info. And given the chance, you would rather by my product or a product via my affiliate link than some stranger "who has not done his dues".

    So that's how the auto responder works. It sends out your personalized messages. But you prepare the messages when it is convenient for you and load up the AR for say 3 or even 4 weeks in advance - that might be 6 - 8 messages. You have researched the market and have included your affiliate products in messages #3 - #8.

    Anyone opting in to your list, will get the first 8 messages in a careful sequence/build up. That's why by the time you set up your "process" and system and tool/cash machine/AR, your job is done as I said above.

    Of course there is some maintenance work to do such as prepare new messages (#9 onwards).

    Of course you have find new future products.

    Of course you have to write articles but hey you're making increasingly more money. BUT your sales effort and customer management drops to a fraction.

    FAB NEWS: your opt-ins go up steadily but your income goes up exponentially! Why!

    Answer:

    Remember my other posts and that over 70% of your subscribers will buy something you recommend, on average after 7 contacts/emails? Well ... the sales start sooner and pick up momentum as you reach the 7th contact.

    But here are 2 more factors sweetening your pot of gold (your list + your AR):

    1- Your existing buyers will buy again and much more frequently and with a higher order value than others!

    2- Not only is your list warming up to you as you reach your the 7 contacts and go past it but also your increasing articles + your free product offer + AR are increasing the overall size of your list too.

    Let me make it clear: your list is getting bigger AND it starts to perform better as it warms up to you.

    OK, any questions before I go ... just teasing you Emon :)

    What auto responder is best!

    There are two types: software that you download and AR series that you subscribe to use.

    The arguments on both sides are long and there are merits on both sides. But I boiled it down to one critical factor for me: "Delivery Rate"

    I'll leave the actual discussion for another post or may be even you'll visit my site at some point. But the leading three services on the web have the ability to deliver your messages to your subscribers where many completely legitimate ARs get stuck in the recipients' ISP's spam blocks.

    Unfair, yes. But that's life. The leading 3 go to the nth degree to ensure your message doesn't get caught up. And the difference to you can literally be many thousands of dollars of lost or gained income.

    Purchasing your own software and running it from your hosted website is a total waste of your time. I have an Honors Degree in Physics and Computing and a PhD in Industrial Electronics + a zillion years of Internet work ... BUT I couldn't personally keep up with the "effort" it takes to make sure my own server is not black listed (unfairly) as a spam source! This effort is a full time job for a whole team of professionals.

    Now, I do have a brilliant auto responder system that my company has developed but it is not ready for the market and I wouldn't recommend it just yet until I can get definitive proof of its world class delivery rate.

    In the mean time, the king of AR's is "A Weber" at www.aweber.com as NC mentioned in his post. That costs around $20 per month for up to 10,000 people on your list.

    But in second place is one that allows a free account - are you paying attention Emon? :D

    This is also an excellent system and perhaps marginally in second place. The reason they allow you a free account is that they help you get started and then as your usage hits its limit for the free account you'll have to pay.

    That's fair don't you think! .... they help you get going and when your usage gets serious and you're making money, you pay them a tiny fee.

    The only thing is that they WILLL add little "sponsor" type ads to the start and end of your emails. Of course they get paid by those sponsor ads. So "your list" gets exposed to other people's messages. Now I must admit, the last time I check this sponsored ad thingy was 2 years ago. LAter I upgraded and have not chekced since. Again that is not a major problem:

    As soon as you start earning an income, you can upgrade to a fee based account and they'll not add sponsor messages to your emails any longer. And of course your AR pays for itself then and make you a profit on top.

    Note: they do not give your list to anyone else. Nobody gets to see your list.

    This service is called "Get Response" and I have used them for 2 years now. No problems. Great service.

    The site is:

    www.getresponse.com

    and my affiliate link is:

    www.GetResponse.com/index/autopilot-business

    Feel free to use which ever you wish. Once you are there, copy this link for the free account and paste it into the browser address bar:

    www.getresponse.com/orderfree.html

    On this free order page there is a field for where you learnt about Get Response. If you wish you can enter my affiliate link, but only if you wish.

    Both Get Response and A Weber have good tutorials. Do use them to learn more about the process. You'll see some great video tutorials too.

    Til next time, stay the course and make your own luck.
    Samo
     
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    Samo, thank you so much for your informative posts. The amount of effort you put into each post is incredible!

    Day 35-36 - October 4th-5th, 2007

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    Unfortunately my status remains as Basic PLUS. I've been granted 25 additional submissions. There is nothing wrong with my articles (quality wise), so I'm going to assume that the website downtime hiccup is to blame.

    I'll be getting back into writing articles today. I'm aiming to have all 25 done by Monday night.
     
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    Wow thanks again man great post. Must have taken a while to write up. Like ponynugget said its amazing the effort and
    time you put into these posts.

    Also I'm sorry if I wasn't clear in what I meant. But you guessed it what I was wondering was a good free auto-responder.
    And Thanks for your recommendation. Right after I'm done writing this post I will follow your affiliate link and try this AR:):D

    Thanks Again

    :)

    P.S - I have tried getresponse free its seems great they allow you to personalize most everything. They allow one campaigns but
    only 5 follow up emails. I also found out that freautobot 2007 and sendfree offer unlimited follow up emails. What do you think about
    these services are they good or do you think the isp's will block them thinking its spam?
     
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  11. Samo

    Samo Well-Known Member

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    My pleasure Poynugget. I believe to reach the top and to get what you want you have to be committed, like an Olympic Champion is to his/her training.

    I came to this forum to see if I could help anyone (more on this another time) ... so when I decided to join in the converstion, I committed myself to doing the very best I can and not a one line post like "... hey good job ...".

    And that is what people have to do to make it with bum marketing or anything else. Commitement and energy - invest those and your success will be unstoppable and gigantic.

    I wish you all great success.

    An Easy Alternative You Can Test Almost Effortlessly

    You are clearly committed and are working hard. For some reason Ezine Articles is not rewarding you. Can I suggest a slight variation to your strategy, at least for test purposes:

    If you're not already submitting the same article to a few other leading directories, then do consider it. You could try say: ArticleCity, GoArticles, ArticleSnatch, etc.

    Reason: You will get even more (targeted) backlinks which is always good. And I'm fairly confident you will get to see an increase to your site stats. But tests will prove or disprove my thoughts. I have done it and it works very well for me. But your niche is different from mine and there are so many other factors that may be different. That's way I suggest testing.

    Do not worry about the duplicate content issue. I'll explain fully another time. If there was such a problem, it would be a problem for the directories and not you ;)

    Suggested Strategy

    for the next week, also submit to just one extra directory (one more than you're already doing). Check your clickbank stats. If the directory allows it, use your affiliate URL but for each directory use a different tracking ID. So after a week you can see if you're getting more hits or not.

    In the second week, add one directory. And in ther third week add yet another. Each with a different tracking ID.

    I "suspect" by week 3 you will notice a greater overall traffic. If so I'll tell how you can amplify this effect the right way. Hint: There are soooo many wrong ways and only one right way of amplifying the "directory effect".

    Even if you don't get a big jump in traffic, it is still well worth doing this. Again I'll explain what's happening anohter time.

    By the way, Ponynugget, I'm writing a report on multiple techniques each of which double, tripple, quadruple (or more) your article writing speed! I am going to charge for this special report or offer it as a bonus to one of my paid products. But I'll PM you a free download link. This is to thank you for creating this thread and sharingyour info for everyone's benefit.

    Keep going, you are on track for great success.
    Samo.
     
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  12. Samo

    Samo Well-Known Member

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    You are very welcome.

    Hey no. Don't be sorry ... as I said I was just joking with you. If you get on with people why not also have a bit of fun together right? :p

    I know of SendFree and it is good. There is also another big name called Constant Contact.

    Small Gamble = Gigantic Loss

    BUT TAKE NOTE: the most imporant factor is delivery rate. Paying a few dollars/month for a service is less than the affiliate commission you get selling just one or two products.

    But getting a slightly lower delivery rate can be disasterous for your income. Why?

    Because if you do just 2 emails/week, that is 8 or 9/month. So any difference in delivery rate is multiplied by at least a factor of 8/month and 96/year.

    If you then decide to email say 3 times/week, the effect is amplified by a factor at least 12/month or 144/year! So if one service delivers just 100 emails less, that is 14,400 fewer emails getting through to your hot prospects that you have worked hard to add to your list. Wow. :(

    At just say %5 sales conversion rate (you can do a lot better for a nicely warmed up list that you have a good relationship with) that is a wopping 720 less sales and it can be even worse.

    At just $25* commission/sale - and that is absolutely nothing for a good, targeted list - you get ... - can you bear to watch this --> sure? --> a head spinning $18,000 minimum loss!

    But wait there's more ... $25 is the "single" sales commission. It assumes just one sale. Add to it the commissions for multiple sales* that you would have made to the same people through the rest of the year ... I'm feeling sick at the thought of it.

    * most of your buyers will buy from you again, multiple times - see one my post about this.

    [Side Note]
    Can you see how tiny but critical differences in approach/advice you might get can have such huge differences in your results?

    Can you see that it is this sort of inside knowledge that determines who becomes mega successful and who doesn't?

    Can you now see an example of why some people become spectacular successes and even write reports and books about their work, while others just get frustrated with their lack of success or pace of progress, yet (on the surface) they both seem to be doing the same thing!!

    [End Of Side Note]

    A Weber is the best of the best and has been around for a very long time. Get Response is as good but hasn't been around as long but it is not a newbie either.

    I know some gurus have done tests and I don't know of anyone finding GetResponse's delivery rate any worse than A Weber but they just don't have as big a name.

    My suggestion is if you want to consider anything other than the top 2, then you must run careful tests on delivery rate. I will be really surprised if any of the others can match the delivery rate of the top 2 or even come close to them.

    But your tests must be accurate as tiny differences create bug distortions in the test results. So for example, you must email 1000 people via one auto responder and another 1,000 using the other BUT do this at exactly the same moment and with the same email. The only permitted difference is the URL in the emails. It must have a different tracking code in each AR so you can compare the results.

    There are also other tracking and testing techniques involved such as dropping "bread crumbs" or "web bugs" (which are not bugs at all). This allows you to measure the "open rate" of your emails. You then see the emails from which responder get opened more.

    Yep, a lot of work and a fair amount of knowledge needed to test all this. Is it worth it to save less than $20 month? Will you find a different result than the gurus with their lists of several hundreds of thousands giving them razor sharp statistical accuracy? I doubt it.

    Is it a good risk to take a chance on some of the other auto responders? That's your decision ... balance your maximum gain against your mimum loss!

    All the successful people in all walks of life, have done it by getting the best advice, best tools, best equipment, best lawyers, best financial advisers, etc. None have made it by getting the cheapest of everything.

    Always model success and you will become a success too. Model anything but success and you get ... - you guessed it - anything but success ;)

    Emon, thank you for sharing your findings too.

    Stay the course & you'll get there
    Samo
     
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    Sutocu Active Member

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    I checked out a couple of the services you mentioned, but there's something I don't like about them. With a free Get Response account, my email will come from an address like myname @getresponse.com and even with a paid account it'll be something @myname.getresponse.com

    I really don't like that. It should be something @mydomain.com so that it would seem more unique. What's your take on auto responder scripts, like PHP Autoresponder, and others. With them I'd have full customization of the address. Also, the number of messages sent would seem to be only limited by my host.
     
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    All,

    I'll add my 2 cents in again. For anyone who may need to know what a landing page looks like in order to capture opt-ins and start Samo's AR method he explained, this is the one I use:

    golf411.org/fix_your_swing.html

    I'm not really saying this is a good landing page but it's an example of one. I have submitted about 10 golf articles to directories. Made a sale or two here and there. I haven't submitted an article in a while but I still get opt-ins every now and then. Even though I have stopped submitting articles, I am still building a list because the articles are still floating around the net. Hope this helps someone.

    Sig :)
     
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  15. emon878

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    This is what I thought but know you can change it to the email you want. The thing your taking about is just the campagin name you can change that too. Go to manage campaing camping settings. Then messages the first thing is

     
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    Hey samo thanks for your info again. And I defianly see the money that I can lose with a bad AR
    What I was thinking was I'll use getresponse free till I test and learn how to make a profit with my
    product like tests the emails, reviews ect... And then when I start making good profits from email-marketing
    I'll switch to getresponse pro or aweber.

    Also I was thinking in the mean time, I'll send the maximum five mails with getresponse and by they will have
    trusted me and I'll tell them to add my email to there address book then send them to link of sendfree or free
    autobot for the rest of the emails.
     
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    Samo Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for clearing that up Emon.

    As Emon said you can completely customise your campaigns. I just re-checked one of my campaigns and I can make the emails appear from ANY email address I want. I can change that any time I want too.

    As per my previous post, you're talking about "managing" your own software from a hosted account.

    A) Unless you are an expert in messaging AND totally dedicated to manging your server and software, you will not be able to get even near the delivery rate of the top responders.

    Did you know this: there are organisations that you can join (and opay thousands of dollars, yes thousands) to register your domain and server as a totally legitimate mailing system. Your emails will be checked by ISPs and when they find your details on these registers, your emails get through.

    Then if anyone complains about you sending them spam, the organisation will come after you. They may charge you to investigate this and you will have explain why the other person is wrong. If you don't convince them you will get banned. There are always people who forget they subscribed to you ... eslecially as your list builds up. Have you the time to deal with these to maintain your place on the register? This is in addition to other efforts to maintain your messaging system.

    Well the top responders already spend the thousands of dollars as part of their service to you!

    B) Most of you have a hosted account at your ISP/web host. Your website (and PHP Admin auto responder), will be on a shared server with hundreds/thousands of other websites. If just one of those other website owners spam anyone, even by mistake your server (its name, domain and IP address) will become "dirty" ... and get listed in spam lists and blocked by ISPs. And you have no control over any of that.

    In my previous post, when I advised against running your own auto responder software, I didn't want to go into this much detail. But there you have it.

    I leave you with one thought:

    If you want to make a living online, you must think like a business. As a business manager, you must "manage" ... that means ...

    you must work on your business and not in it

    Don't get tied up in technicalities, accounts and servers. Concentrate on getting the tasks done the best possible way and as fast as possible. Try to reach profitability as soon as possible. Every day without profit is a cost to you. May be not in "cash" but certainly in "time" which you could have converted to cash, if you had concentrated on quickly reaching your prospects with offers and starting to make sales.

    This was one of my biggest mistakes ever ... concentrating on the technicalitites, trying to do everyhting myself. This is partly why I have all this info. And this is why I am sharing so much ... I don't want you guys to take the slow and risky route to success. You may well run out of time, energy and the support of others around you. People around you have bad habit of telling you, after the first few weeks, you can't make it online ... this online living is a myth or a scam. And that will definitely get you down.

    Good luck and do stay the course
    Samo
     
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    You are welcome.

    But be careful:

    a) wacth your delivery rate

    b) try to offer something valuable for them to op-in to your second auto responder. Even then you will find that you will lose a chunk of your list who just will not switch over ... some people don't open your email asking them to switch over.

    Have fun
    Samo
     
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    You are most welcome and congratulations on taking an important step towards generating greater income.

    And monetizing your free users is generally a lot easier than you might think. You don't have to force them into a fee-paying service. You can still offer the free service but let the subsribers "willingly" throw their money at you :D


    The only disclaimer I have to add is this: it is just possible that there is something really specific to a free subscriber list that makes it difficult to monetize. An example might be a site that discusses charity ... but even that is not mpossible.

    Without knowing the details of your site and your past efforts, I couldn't be 100% certain about generating income but I can be 95% confident that things can be very much improved.

    Heeyyyyyy that's realy nice of you to say. But you couldn't possiby afford me LOL :D :D I'm only joking NC.

    Yes, definitely. I have a couple of web traffic generation product launches coming up shortly. When they're done. I'll PM you my personal contact details.

    Bye for now.

    Success is right at the end of the road but you've got to stay the course
    Samo
     
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    Hi guys! Great thread, just posting to say it took me some time to read the 12 pages of this thread & I guess Samo posts represent 60% of its content :D

    I'm a fan of the series now ;)
     
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