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  1. compar

    compar Peon

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    #1301
    So Caryl, after all this work are you seeing increased traffic to the page as a result of the #4 position? Are you selling anything from the page?

    An interesting question to speculate about is the quality of traffic coming from generic search versus PPC clicks. I have a page that was converting at approximately 2% for people finding it via generic search.

    The other day I went out and purchased some PPC advertising. Over the last three days the PPC advertising has produced approx 2,000 additional visits to the site. But in fact my total sales for these three days has been lower than usual. I would say that the PPC user have probably had a 0% conversion rate.

    I know this is a very small sample, but I've had similar results from PPC before. Anyone else had this experience?
     
    compar, Oct 22, 2004 IP
  2. leeds1

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    #1302
    same here Bob . High % of clickthrus so the ad was attractive but about 0.5% conversion
     
    leeds1, Oct 22, 2004 IP
  3. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

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    #1303
    Then either your ad is too promising or your landing page lacks, hence not converting. You should be able to get it to 1-2% for most products/services.

    You might have to bid for more targeted words as well. Depends on the CPC and CP Conversion though.

    It does depend on the conversion tracking software. You probably track the last few days but it doesn't account for people coming back later and purchase.

    Most of our CP Conversions are justified considering the margins. Underperforming ads get tweaked or killed.

    What helped for us a lot is using negative keywords. -information and -cheap do wonders. Mentioning the price in the ad scares non-buyers away too.
     
    T0PS3O, Oct 22, 2004 IP
  4. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1304
    Hi Folks,

    Well we are getting a few hits now from Google searches on both "Sleeping Bag" (singular - we are #3 for that keyword) and "Sleeping Bags" (plural - we are #4 for that keyword). I could not confirm any sales from this search as of yet.

    2 issues to keep in mind - Not exactly the season for sleeping bags (spring and Christmas are best) PLUS I do not see anything selling well right now.

    I have even done some research on ebay sales in different categories we have sold in, in the past, and find them very anemic right now as well!

    Caryl
     
    mcdar, Oct 22, 2004 IP
  5. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1305
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    101 - 10/03/2004
    102 - 10/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    100 - 10/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    103 - 10/15/2004
    104 - 10/16/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    3610 - 10/13/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3660 - 10/15/2004
    3740 - 10/16/2004
    3760 - 10/17/2004
    3950 - 10/18/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    4080 - 10/20/2004
    4140 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    4230 - 10/23/2004
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    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    311 - 10/13/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    303 - 10/15/2004
    299 - 10/16/2004
    297 - 10/17/2004
    295 - 10/18/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    294 - 10/20/2004
    289 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    294 - 10/23/2004
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    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    202 - 10/13/2004
    203 - 10/14/2004
    214 - 10/15/2004
    217 - 10/17/2004
    225 - 10/18/2004
    226 - 10/20/2004
    234 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    235 - 10/23/2004
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    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
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    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

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    Note:Google API has page at #15
     

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  6. compar

    compar Peon

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    #1306
    But of course Google isn't broken. It gives perfectly structured SERP results every day. Obviously 11 pages that are more relevant than the test page came online overnight. Because Google never makes a mistake.

    Boy I'm glad the people on this forum straightened me out over this one. I might have gone around actually thinking that Google was fucked up. :rolleyes:
     
    compar, Oct 23, 2004 IP
  7. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1307
    Hi Bob,

    Yes, it is "crazy making" to watch the page bounce around! People have resisted the idea that Google is "broken" or is making constant changes to their search engine for months now.

    I have just given up posting anything about it!

    Speaking of giving up posting...
    Due to the recent forum changes, it is now become a toss-up to me, whether to respond to a post or to post the daily results. I can no longer do both. So I guess my posting to this forum will be limited.

    Now - if someone will post something after me, even nonsense drivel, I will be able to post today's results!

    Caryl
     
    mcdar, Oct 24, 2004 IP
  8. SEbasic

    SEbasic Peon

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    #1308
    blah blah this is fun, let's see the results...
     
    SEbasic, Oct 24, 2004 IP
  9. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1309
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
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    Last 10 days

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    101 - 10/03/2004
    102 - 10/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    100 - 10/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    103 - 10/15/2004
    104 - 10/16/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    3610 - 10/13/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3660 - 10/15/2004
    3740 - 10/16/2004
    3760 - 10/17/2004
    3950 - 10/18/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    4080 - 10/20/2004
    4140 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    4230 - 10/23/2004
    4240 - 10/24/2004
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    311 - 10/13/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    303 - 10/15/2004
    299 - 10/16/2004
    297 - 10/17/2004
    295 - 10/18/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    294 - 10/20/2004
    289 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    294 - 10/23/2004
    190 - 10/24/2004
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    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    202 - 10/13/2004
    203 - 10/14/2004
    214 - 10/15/2004
    217 - 10/17/2004
    225 - 10/18/2004
    226 - 10/20/2004
    234 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    235 - 10/23/2004
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    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #15
     
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  10. compar

    compar Peon

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    #1310
    I find that a bit of a stupid rule. Some times there are two ideas in a post and it makes sense to break then up for a reply. Also if you post something and then have one more brillant idea. You have to wait around for someone else to post before you can send. And that also breaks up the continuity.
     
    compar, Oct 24, 2004 IP
  11. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #1311
    Suddenly this forum is becoming frustrating - what is going on?

    We get changes, like this, that are against what was already in place and make it difficult and not free flowing, a negative change IMHO, but we do not get changes in the policy of anything goes however distasteful that may be!
     
    Foxy, Oct 25, 2004 IP
  12. Las Vegas Homes

    Las Vegas Homes Guest

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    #1312
    I have used this tool and found it to be quite useful as well. I also like Mcdars tool as well but I have been using this one of late.

    http://wm-community.com/members/tools/dance/keyrankg.php
     
    Las Vegas Homes, Oct 25, 2004 IP
  13. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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  14. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1314
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    101 - 10/03/2004
    102 - 10/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    100 - 10/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    103 - 10/15/2004
    104 - 10/16/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    3660 - 10/15/2004
    3740 - 10/16/2004
    3760 - 10/17/2004
    3950 - 10/18/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    4080 - 10/20/2004
    4140 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    4230 - 10/23/2004
    4240 - 10/24/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    303 - 10/15/2004
    299 - 10/16/2004
    297 - 10/17/2004
    295 - 10/18/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    294 - 10/20/2004
    289 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    294 - 10/23/2004
    190 - 10/24/2004
    293 - 10/25/2004
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    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    202 - 10/13/2004
    203 - 10/14/2004
    214 - 10/15/2004
    217 - 10/17/2004
    225 - 10/18/2004
    226 - 10/20/2004
    234 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    235 - 10/23/2004
    207 - 10/25/2004
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    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
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    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #15
     
    mcdar, Oct 25, 2004 IP
  15. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #1315
    OK -- you can post again Caryl......this could be real tedious
     
    Foxy, Oct 25, 2004 IP
  16. compar

    compar Peon

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    #1316
    That's not quite true Foxy in that Shawn's tool only show placement if it is 200 or higher.
     
    compar, Oct 25, 2004 IP
  17. Las Vegas Homes

    Las Vegas Homes Guest

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    #1317
    I have used both tools you mentioned and do like them both, but I also used the tool I mentioned and liked it as well. As for Shawns tool, I tried to use it a few weeks ago after not using it for about 45 days and the ranking tool didnt work. I had no keywords in place that I spent forever placing, so I just gave up on it, but I did like it when I could use it.

    The data from all the tools mentioned help me anyway to plan a course of attack. I in no way was suggesting that any of those tools were bad or better then the next.
     
    Las Vegas Homes, Oct 25, 2004 IP
  18. Dirkjan

    Dirkjan The Dutch SEO Guy

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    #1318
    uhm,

    I know this threat is going on for a while because I saw it before. But I had my doubts about the topic and therefore didnt really reply.

    What I miss is:
    You talk about pagerank, backlinks, and anchor text. All nice and good but howcome none of you really talk about content?

    Am I naive to think that google has a lot of value to the content?

    I know anchor text is important, I know miserable failure was George Bush in Google and I read many dutch weblogs where they did tricks like that, but still.

    I redid a website for a client, and only changed 3 things:
    1. - I made a link on each page, linking to another, somewhere on the page with good anchor text.
    2. - I changed the title of each page to 2 search words (different per page)
    3. - I used the same search words 3 times in the text of the page, and at least in 1 bold line and description for an image.

    My client is top 10 on 20 of his search terms now. He is quite satisfied with it. I didnt do a single extra extern backlink, nor did his PR raise. Still his site changed quite a lot.

    I see many webdesign websites that have their keywords in EACH TITLE on their site and somehow got the idea this is very bad :p
     
    Dirkjan, Oct 26, 2004 IP
  19. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
    Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
    Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
    Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    101 - 10/03/2004
    102 - 10/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    100 - 10/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    103 - 10/15/2004
    104 - 10/16/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    3740 - 10/16/2004
    3760 - 10/17/2004
    3950 - 10/18/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    4080 - 10/20/2004
    4140 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    4230 - 10/23/2004
    4240 - 10/24/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    4030 - 10/26/2004
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    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    299 - 10/16/2004
    297 - 10/17/2004
    295 - 10/18/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    294 - 10/20/2004
    289 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    294 - 10/23/2004
    190 - 10/24/2004
    293 - 10/25/2004
    289 - 10/26/2004
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    214 - 10/15/2004
    217 - 10/17/2004
    225 - 10/18/2004
    226 - 10/20/2004
    234 - 10/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    235 - 10/23/2004
    207 - 10/25/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #13
     

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  20. Nitin M

    Nitin M White/Gray/Black Hat

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    #1320
    Guess we have to bump to ensure Caryl can re-post...

    Not much to really say ... will be interesting to watch. I had a similar drop on a couple of my KWP's in the coop (but not with the vast majority) and then they recovered ... so, let's see what happens...
     
    Nitin M, Oct 26, 2004 IP
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