Need help.. Dangerous dog laws

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  1. #1
    I'm from Oklahoma USA.

    I live in a small town.. today a sheriff and the city manager knocked on my door and told me that someone reported my dog barking at a little girl on a bike and scarring her.

    My dog also just night killed a cat which was also reported to the police. Well the city manager said that she is a "dangerous dog" and that i needed to A) build a square pen with a top and a cement bottom that is padlocked at all times. The pen also must have a parameter fence around it!

    Well since I am from a small town i'm pretty sure they're screwing up and not making the declaration of my dog as a dangerous dog in the proper ways set forth by my state.

    From what i've gathered so far since my dog didn't hurt the little girl, and there has only been one report of the dog acting violent towards people that they don't even have enough cause to declare such an act on my loved pet.

    So what I would like from you guys is any more information you can possibly give me that may help me out in my situation.

    My dog is the nicest dog i've ever owned. Minds ever word I say to the key. She's a 2 year old rednose/brendal American Pit Bull. The fact that she's a Pit Bull is the only reason people are causing a fuss.

    First off a dog killed a cat. Well I'm sorry.. but in the real world that's how things work. Sucks for the cat but maybe they should have thought of that throughout evolution and bumped themselves up on the food chain a bit. I mean come on guys can we really not expect a pack dog to kill a cat?

    Then it barked at a little girl and chased her while she was on her bike. Okay, well this really isn't a good situation, but it doesn't mean she's violent. She chases me on my motorcycle and tries to bite the front tire. I can't even count the number of times I got chased by a dog on my bike when I was a kid. Hell it still happens to this day on my motorcycle..
     
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  2. Colbyt

    Colbyt Notable Member

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    No dog should be free allowed to run free. They should all be enclosed within a fenced yard. That applies to my 4 pound poodle and your 60 pound pit bull.

    At a minimum you should build such a fence. One your dog can not jump over.

    Some localities do have "dangerous" dog laws. Google dangerous+dog+law+Oklahoma to see if Oklahoma has any.
     
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  3. musicalzoo

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    ok, you've lost my compassion - you had it at first, but not anymore.

    here's why...

    first- pits have the tendency to become violent. this is a fact, not my opinion - I have known many, my mom - a cruelty investigator for the SPCA- has 2...and they have all been great dogs, but not for one minute would I leave a child alone with one.

    second- if your dog is chasing and viscously barking at a little girl riding a bike- what do you think would have happened if he caught up to her?

    third - your dog has killed. that's not good, it literally does give them a taste for blood and will be harder to control

    fourth - you refer to your dog as a "pack" dog. Packs are notoriously dangerous. I am assuming you have other dogs, or it "runs" with other dogs?

    I own 160 pound German Shepherd. He is well trained, but if he DARED to kill an animal, or chase after a child, he would be gone. My dog does not run free, he stays in our yard at all times. I trust him with my life, and the life of my kids, but I know full well his power and determination, and know that if he felt the need to harm or kill something, he could do it. He is not a social dog - he is not one a stranger can come up and pet ( unless they want their hand removed), and this is how he was trained. It is me and my kids, in the country. HE is our protection. And I trust him with our lives.

    A responsible pet owner needs to be aware of the power their dog possesses. It is in your best interest to find a way to keep him contained. There can be no possible way a child (or adult) could "accidentally" come into contact with him. I'm not saying he is a bad dog, or you a bad owner- but you need to be aware of the legal ramifications that you could face.

    Most areas that have a "dangerous dog" law have very strict policies. Research the laws, and find out exactly what they are. In the meantime, secure him so that no one can come into contact with him. If he manages to bite a person- not maim, not kill- just bite - in some districts he could be put to sleep.

    Be a responsible pet owner and ensure that there is no way he can harm anyone. You love your pet, I would hate to hear that something happened to someone, or that you had to put him down (not to mention the legal windfall that would occur if he attacked someone)!
     
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    shaun12345 Banned

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    How about you let your dog loose and wait fora cop to shoot it or maybe you love this dog and dont want it to be killed then you will make this pen for it as a responsible pet owner this is your job!
     
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    Ever watched "THE DOG WHISPERER"
    YOU NEED TO TRAIN YOUR DOG!!!
     
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    You say it sucks for the cat? Well, Possibly, that was someones cat that loves their cat more than you love your dog.

    If you love your dog, and wish to protect it from hurting others, I suggest you do the proper caring for it.
     
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    You shouldn't have to be asked to keep the dog contained. I have a 20 lb Minpin I keep contained because to a small kid it looks like a monster half their height.

    I'll be honest with you I do not like Pits at all as a breed. Although I have no problem being around one and have been around many who I liked, I don't like the fact that need to be so cautious. I just spent this past week with a half rottwieler/half mastiff who could eat Pitbulls for breakfast snacks. An absolutely gentle and sweet animal but still the potential for great harm is there. In fact out the 4 dogs I was with he was the most gentle. The little 6 lb chihuaha/minpin is a litle bitch and a pain in the ass.

    What people who own these pets need to understand is

    1. It has tremendous potential for harm or even fatality. That little minpin has no such potential unless you trip over it and crack your head open. :)

    2. Your the owner! It has little if any reason or potential to harm you! But it has great reason as a protector of its pack to defend and harm others! A little kid or parent walking down the street doesn't give a damn how good your dog is or how its been treated, they have no idea. They only see its potential and take precaution...period.

    Dog owners particalarly of big guard dogs and fighting dogs need to get off this self-centered trip of awwww....he wouldn't hurt a flea. I as a responsible pet owner don't even take that attitude with my little dog cause i take others into account, not just myself.

    Fence and restrain your damn dogs!
     
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    Save everyone a hassle and just build your dog a pen. Problem solved, right?
     
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    I have a 7 foot privacy fence around my entire back yard. This is the first time she has gotten out. The first time this incident has happened. She did catch up to the little girl.. SHE DIDN"T DO ANYTHING.

    she can run well over 30mph if she would have wanted to hurt the little girl she would have period.

    She is a pack dog. I have 2 other pit bulls that I own. one of them stays out back all the time. The other the oldest male is mostly a inside dog, Morgan. The one that got out is a 2 year old female that can jump my 7 foot privacy fence.

    She got out for the first time today. The cat she killed was a stray. A stray cat that was on my property of business.

    She is always inside or in the backyard. I'm keeping her on a chain until I can construct a ropes system keeping her from going over the fence.

    What the guy told me is that I need to build a 10X10 cage with top and cement bottom and surround it by another fence. Not gonna happen.

    I'll make it where she can't get over the fence, that's not a problem. I also agree she shouldn't be allowed to roam free, however, such strict of measures shouldn't have to be taken to a dog that is in fact not a danger to anyone.

    She is a pack dog. Morgan my oldest pit clearly claims himself as the alpha male. both of my pits will submit to him without doubts. All three will submit to me without a flench. All are well trained animals. The only reason Jager got out and left my yard is because she's in heat.

    dogs will be dogs

    How about not jumping to conclusions next time.
     
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    Good luck with the rope system, hopefully you don't have any more problems with this.
     
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    aqrhine Active Member

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    what i plan on doing is cutting several dozen 2X4s about 2 foot long. I will cut a 45 degree angle in on end. drill 5 holes in the board about every 3 inches or so. Attach the boards to the fence which will angle inward and the ropes will run through the holes all along the fence. They will be stretched tight.

    Much like the barb wire system prison use to keep prisoners from going over the walls.
     
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    I have a lab that would probably kill a cat if she had the chance.I keep her inside the house if a cat is wondering around the fence.I don't want to be rude.I think you should get your dog fixed.I don't have much sympathy for people who don't spay their dogs or leave them in a fence that they can get out of.Then the dog gets in trouble or gets injured bcse of that.

    I don't think the fact that they are pit bulls should be an issue.My neighbor has a black lab also that has attacked a small child.I'm sure it would attack me or my dog if given the chance.
     
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    Do what they tell you to do.
    It'll be your responsibility if you don't and the dog escapes another time and hurts someone. (meaning: you'll get sued and pay $$$$$$$ for the rest of your life)

    > The only reason Jager got out and left my yard is because she's in heat.

    That's no excuse.
    Your dog should not be able to get out in any circumstance, not for any reason whatsoever !

    You even say she chases you on your motorcycle ? From this I get the impression she's not as well trained as you think she is. Only if you command her to stop and she immediately stops, she's well trained.

    The dog should be trained so they know they may not get out of your yard.
    Pack dog, in heat, .. no excuse: she may not leave your yard.
     
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    Pit bull? Read this. 2 Red PB's kill 42 yr old mother/owner:

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/14250768/detail.html

    Then you can read a lot more online just like it. BTW you should neuter her, is the world not filled with enough Dogs WAITING TO DIE at the killing centers, a/k/a "shelters"?

    Good luck.
     
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    aqrhine Active Member

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    I would nueter her, but she is of a really good line of pit bulls. I can trace her history back 10 generations. She is also the most beautiful pit bull I have ever seen. This is the opinion of everyone who meets her. I'll breed her once and keep the largest male. After I get one of her pups I will have her nuetered.

    I'm still saying until it is scientifically proven that Pit Bulls don't turn into Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Clyde. As far as any study out right now a Pit Bull in it's behavior towards humans is psycologically no different than any other dog.
     
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    How did I know this post would be about a pit bull just from the title of the post!?

    Your dog is on record 2 times, one for Killing and another for trying to go after a kid.

    Man that should be a wake up call. Don't think that if your nice dog "would get out" and do damage to someone, maybe kill a kid that the only thing that would happen is your dog gets put to sleep.

    How about YOU get tried for Murder. You could end up in prison and could you live with yourself knowing that you could have prevented it.

    You think it's no big deal that your dog killed a cat, someones pet. Just by saying that you say a lot about yourself.

    You choose to have a pit bull, it's your responsibility to control your pet. It's your liability and you can be held responsible.
     
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    I agree with most of the others.

    I have had dogs all my life, only have one right now though.

    She got out, killed a cat and chased a girl on a bike.

    Firstly you say too bad for the cat, but next time it could have an owner, imagine how they would feel. The same as if a dog killed your dog.

    If the dog has killed once, it will be more likely to do it again, full stop...

    Take this scenario:

    You dog escapes again, goes into someone else's yard who has children. An adult might try to shoo the dog away, it could get scared and lash out, or a child could try and stroke it and then it could maul them to death.

    I am not saying your dog is bad or you are a bad owner, just keep your dog under control, don't let it loose without you being there.

    My dog stays in my garden when I am not out with it, it cannot get out in any way. When I am walking her I happily let her off. She is a gun dog, trained to catch prey shot by someone. She is also meant to chase down dogs and other things like rabbits, catch them and break their neck.

    She can run at 35 mph for about a mile, faster than most things she meets. I am still confident on letting her loose on walks to go free. For example once she was off after a rabbit, with 3 blows of the whistle she will stop straight away and come back.

    Just keep it very well trained and locked up when your not with it and it should be fine.
     
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