Right.. so evidence that some people who wrote the bible is concrete proof that Creationism is true? Wow, what have I been thinking all these years Steady your horses sunshine. I said no such thing. Typical you'd twist what I say. There is scientific proof which has been rigorously analysed, evaluated and tested - yes that's right tested, for centuries. This, shows it's true, not because there is "some evidence" like you state. Evolution has never, ever, become as it as from mere assumption. It's insane to state that Paul's (who may or may not have existed) writings in a book which has been edited and censored for centuries, compare to tests, analyses and evaluations of the world's best scientists. You mean 'embarrassed' And no, I'm perfectly aware of theists' silly unfounded faith. We don't need faith. We have facts. Observations which are supported by a (yet to be unproven) theory. Not necessarily. Just because I don't believe in this human made silliness regarding a father-like and human-like figure, which commandments and religious dogma, does not mean I completely disbelieve in any 'god'. Who's to say science isn't 'god'? Or the very quantum physics that make this world so interesting? Or even dark matter? Oh please Kalvin. Don't insult my intelligence. I make no exaggerations of my education and knowledge, or anything else for that matter, so please, don't resort to immaturity.
Don't post silly claims about what you do and do not know. You can claim to know anything on the internet and it just makes you look silly. Theories are supported by observations. Not the other way around. Observations are facts. Facts support theories. Theories do not support facts. Adaptation has been observed. Evolution has not. The flying speghetti monster has also never been observed, therefore by your logic he must exist. Try again. Science has already proven that things came into existence in the order the Bible says they did. The only thing science hasn't confirmed is that God did it.
I think the healthiest minds are those who have come to realize that religions divide not unite people, and that too many wars have been waged in the name of religion. I am spiritual...I believe in myself and my inner goodness. I believe that as long as I seek peaceful resolutions for occurrences in my life that my life will be full of abundance and joy. I respect your beliefs, please respect mine.
While I don't disagree (religion has totally been the cause of many of the world's problems), I do say that if there is a God - which I do believe there is - He has the right to decide how he should be worshiped or believed in, it's not really up to us to decide how we want to know Him.
Atheism is not popular at all, because most catholic people still call themselves catholic even though they do not strictly adhere to the teachings of the church. Ive heard that over 4B people are Christian or Muslim (majority) and that is without factoring in the people who are Buddhist, Jewish, Hindu, etc.
I, obviously, do not concur. Being an Atheist takes as much faith as any other religion. Pretty much the same as Nietzsche. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism You defined them, but you were (and are) wrong -- therefore your definitions are irrelevant. You completely fail to understand the nature of collectivism. Until you understand your error, you're going to be doomed to wander the world in confusion. To start down the path to recovery, take the time to read The Road to Serfdom by Hayek.
Dude, I was brought up in an atheistic school and evolution was taught as fact. In actual fact, one of the reasons we were taught evolution was so that we come to the final and the intended conclusion: "Man is not a result of some intelligent power or Creator." We have countless missing links: between fish and another animal, between the other animal and the other animal, between the other animal and the monkey, between monkey and man.... For evolution to happen it must follow something. You start with nothing you don't end up with something. You send a domesticated horse in the wild, guess what??? The horse doesn't evolve and it becomes wild. Logical conclusion evolution doesn't work. Since evolution is total crap, doesn't it make sense to look at the most intelligent option available? Besides, as an atheist you have no purpose, you are continually evolving so we don't know how developed your brain is. With atheists there is no point of reference.
ProteinDude, how do you explain the genetic closeness of Chimpanzees and Humans? Don't be silly about this brain development business. Our brains are all within the same Homosapien species. Will, I am not wrong when it comes to the differences between Socialism and Communism. There are even scholars (not to mention Marx himself) and intellectual material which support what I've said. You should read up on Marx's 5 stage history thesis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership - interesting, this mentions nothing about the state organised Common ownership, but instead, social organisation achieved by the people: Hm, it appears I was right. Communism is a set of stages, not a single policy or event in itself. The transition to a dictatorship using working class controlled capitalism is Socialism, then from there it self-dissolves Capitalism into Communism. Even though this is theoretical, this makes it no less of something to believe in. Ooo now this is just too good. Now tell me, has there ever been a Communist country which has got to the point of statelessness? Didn't think so. So will, don't tell me what I do and don't know, when it's clear you ignore the quoted facts.
Ok, first of all we humans also have 50% the same DNA as bananas. But it doesn't mean that we are half bananas from the wais up, or half bananas from the waist down. You are presenting another super simplified fact chimpanzees versus humans. What you call "closeness" I call a HUUUUUUUUGE gap. I don't actually see any resemblance between humans and monkeys. If you think your relative is a monkey you're on your own here. Meaning, I don't follow you on this one. Do you know the most significant difference between humans and monkeys (or any other animal)?? It is the ability to worship. No one else has the ability to worship except us humans. Now about the brain development business: if the atheist view is we come from nowhere, we have no purpose and we are going nowhere and we are still evolving, if I am to use the same logic I must say I have no idea why I should listen to someone such as yourself with a purposeless, meaningless life. Based on the THEORY (of evolution) that you believe in you are incapable of meaning.
I never said i have no idea how evolution works, liar. It works via natural selection and small mutations. For a christian you tell a lot of lies. I hope your god is watching. I would say your religion makes you far less able to make decisions. Why? because your religion doesn't allow you to make decisions, it tells you what to do and you have do it. I like when you use over simplistic terms to describe complex things as the basis of your argument. It makes you sound like a child. All that means is we contain half the genetic code to make a banana. But that isn't too surprising when you understand that a lot of DNA goes in to creating proteins, Fiber and other building blocks that are found in all organic life. So when you understand that and then look at the simple RNA of a banana compared with our complex DNA I'm surprised that in there, somewhere, Isn't all the DNA to make a banana. It's been proven to be true. The genome mapping has destroyed intelligent design. It has proven, Beyond all doubt, that we share a common ancestor with the other great apes. We don't base our life on evolution. We simply acknowledge it as being a scientific fact that is proven and testable. It's called being smart, You should try it some time.
From this I can clearly see your theory keeps changing as you admitted. Check the words "believe" above. So you still have no idea about evolution you just BELIEVE. How can you be smart??? You are an atheist that evolved from an ape, with no purpose whatsoever, you're just a bunch of atoms stuck together. You are still evolving so you're incapable of logic. Your theory keeps changing and you have no point of reference whatsoever, therefore you cannot know when you are right or wrong. So according to atheistic beliefs you just keep talking nonsense (since you are just a purposeless bunch of atoms stack together).
The theory stays the same. I have said this before. All that changes is our understanding of the effects of the theory. i.e. How long changes take to occur. How long do feather take, How long to legs take, How do parts of an organism adapt to do perform a different function. Your understanding of evolution is so poor i don't think you should even be allowed to enter in to a discussion on it. All you are doing now is repeating points that we have previously kicked to death. You have the weakest argument i have ever seen and it currently consists of nothing more than you continuing to talk. Non-sequitur-a-thon ____ so ____ therefor ____ so ____ so god must exist.
Sorry dude, but you don't seem too sure of evolution. What is obvious is you are desperately clinging to this belief. Let me say it again, and I am addressing an atheist: You are an atheist that evolved from an ape, with no purpose whatsoever, you're just a bunch of atoms stuck together. You are still evolving so you're incapable of logic. Your theory keeps changing and you have no point of reference whatsoever, therefore you cannot know when you are right or wrong. So according to atheistic beliefs you just keep talking nonsense (since you are just a purposeless bunch of atoms stack together). I don't know what stage of evolution you're at right now.
people who want to believe in creation as described in genesis will never be won over by scientific arguments, believe me, i have tried. the thing is as a student and researcher i worked with physicists and astro-physicists from all backgrounds, some with strict religious beliefs, and none of them let their beliefs get in the way of their work, they managed to make an educated compromise. not all scientists are atheists, yet this assumption seems to be prevalent. and also not many atheists would refer to atheism as a religion, they just don't follow an organised religion or believe in god. i don't believe that i have even ever described myself as an atheist, nor ever would, because i do not think that religious belief or the lack of it is at all important or relevant in everyday society. unless of course you want to justify killing in a conflict, then religion becomes very important indeed.
Sure dude. Keep on researching. Here's something else you may want to add to your research: Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics Dr. James Allan, Geneticist Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist Dr. Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics Dr. David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony) Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist (interview) Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist Dr. Bob Compton, DVM Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div Dr. David Down, Field Archaeologist Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History Dr. Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist Dr. Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics Dr. John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist Dr. Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry Dr. George F. Howe, Botany Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist Dr. Russell Humphreys, Physicist Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy George T. Javor, Biochemistry Dr. Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology Dr. John Leslie, Biochemist Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist Dr. Alan Love, Chemist Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist: Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist Dr. John McEwan, Chemist Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics Dr. David Menton, Anatomist Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist Colin W. Mitchell, Geography Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918–2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research. Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher Prof. John Oller, Linguistics Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology) Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon Prof. Richard Porter Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D. Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology Dr. Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist Dr. Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist: Dr. Ian Scott, Educator Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics Dr. Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist: Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon Dr. Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology) Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist Dr. Carl Wieland, Medical doctor Dr. Lara Wieland, Medical doctor Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997) Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology Additional information about these guys can be found here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/bios/default.asp I am sure, the guys above, just like you, did their research before receiving the title of doctor.
Hahaha, I knew there'd be an anti-answersingenesis site: http://noanswersingenesis.org.au/ xD Funny that. Sure, your list looks long mate, but how many scientists around the world do you think oppose Creationism? Thousands, tens of thousands more, that's how many. Also, I notice there are more scientists on your list without a relevant degree to the study of Evolution. Hilarious.
Of course: you got to silence those creationists. Imagine that, something troubles you so much that you start a SPECIFIC site against answersingenesis. Here's another snip form an article which I am sure judetheobscure will love as it involves the atheists idol: Richard Dawkins. "Following the council's vote, BBC Radio Ulster decided to hold a discussion programme on the issue on September 26. I was invited to take part on the programme by phone and was surprised to find myself in a live debate with Professor Richard Dawkins. His method was, as usual, to be insulting, but callers to the programme complained about his rudeness to me. I was then able to speak more, and quoted Dawkins’ illogicalities from his own book The God Delusion, which just happened to be in my office at the time of the radio programme."
Interesting, could the source of that snippet be... Oh, pro-creationist by any chance? If so, that speaks for itself. See, no-one can take that article seriously unless they heard the entire discussion. You can't slag off Dawkins unless you've heard what he has said. It's just too insanely biased. Why don't you go an find some concrete scientific evidence, instead of resorting to the childish tit-for-tat technique to try and make Dawkins look bad?
There is nothing lucrative about the drug war for the U.S. government. Confiscated drug money does not come anywhere close to the costs of millions of criminal cases, prisoners, and law enforcement officers. If MJ was legalized you would have a less bloated legal system and more police officers protecting the safety of the public instead of chasing down some kids caught smoking a joint. P.S.- @ Proteindude: You win. If Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist, says that Creationism is real, who am I to disagree?
all of you bickering back and forth have proven one thing, and one thing only and that is: religious beliefs are personal. There is no right or wrong. What is wrong is that a person is judged harshly if they deviate from the norm in any given community. As an example of what I mean, I was chastized harshly by some of my friends when I did not baptize my son. I told my friends and family that I wanted my son to make his own decisions about spirituality, religions, the existence of God, etc..when he was old enough. I do not regret that decision at all. What's more important to me is that as a teenager, he doesn't smoke, he doesn't do drugs, he doesn't drink, he obeys curfew, he's respectful to me and to others, and I'm proud of him. In my humble opinion, if more parents taught their children the basics of right from wrong, manners, respect, etc., instead of shoving religion down their throats, children would be less likely to rebel, and they would in turn decide for themselves what the true meaning of spirituality is and that would change a lot of what's wrong in this world today.