Surge in Iraq is Working

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  1. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #41
    Cool. Sad for your buds though, eh?

    Did you want my IP address? Embedding an invisible image is an old trick. Might want to be a little more careful with that. You DO NOT want to cross me in that realm, I assure you.
     
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  2. AGS

    AGS Notable Member

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    #42
    Don't try and play Rambo on me GTech. :)

    I'll grab the image and upload it on my server, then I'll repost it here, especially for you darling. I don't care for your IP address, the image shows for me.
     
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  3. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #43
    Internet tough guys have to protect their IP addresses. We might find out they are posting from Bill O'Reilly's bedroom.
     
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  4. AGS

    AGS Notable Member

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    #44
    The dudes libertys are being eroded month on month and he thinks I'm after his I.P address. :rolleyes:

    He's a real tough guy cheering for this "war" sat behind his PC in his carpet slippers. A real American hero. :D
     
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  5. palmetto

    palmetto Peon

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    #45
    Some Americans are family to those who are in the Military, some are friends, and some are supporting our troops by sending gift boxes, cards, making music videos that say “thank you”.
    There are lots of ways that Americans are coming together to support the war. We are united because our home was attacked.
    Innocent children, parents, cousins, friends, and co workers died on 9-11.
    We had taken a punch, but we did not fall, and we did not let a bully get away with hitting us, we fought back, and we are winning, and we thank our heroes for giving more then their lives for our liberty, and we thank God for giving us such brave men and women who are at this moment fighting back.
    We are united and regardless if a person who is posting on this thread is or was in the military, if they are posting positive comments, if they are thanking our military, then they are a part of the war, they are supportive, and our heroes need to know they are appreciated.
     
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  6. webcracker

    webcracker Peon

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    #46
    Eh!!! GTech.. I would like to have some answers from you... but before that i would like to tell you that i am against any kind of terrorism. I hate those people who did 9/11. and all those things which killed innocent people in the world!.

    Here are few points that prove the fact that USA is mother of all Evils!!

    1. US started war in Iraq saying iraq got "WMD". Why they f*ck they bullish all countries? Now when they didnt got any WMD there.. they should have brought there asses back at that time.. why there are staying there?

    I know those american's are son's, fathers, brothers too butttttt
    Americans deserved to be killed there in iraq!!!!

    You people are only concerned about American blood. What about millions of people died when America carpet bombed iraqi villages??

    Iraqi Blood means nothing to you... !!!! Yeah there are news that iraqi people's killing are droping.. but who started all this BS... it was the american's who got there and all this started!..

    2. Not a single iraqi was involved in 9/11 attacks.. then why the f*ckin hell America attacked Iraq..!!!! Most of the 9/11 attackers were from UAE and Pakistan... why america didnt took any action there?

    3. When Bush talk about iraq he tell the whole world that america liberated the iraq by putting end to the dictatorship and in pakistan they want dictatorship by supporting Pervez Musf. ? America is fooling the whole world!! They dont want peace infact!

    4. Do you think the children's who lost there father and mother in this war will ever forget what america brought them?? This war wont end terrorism... but it will get back to your home after few years...

    http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html
     
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  7. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #47
    Because if Allied nations withdraw their troops prematurely, the region would become a very easy go for the terrorist, The killing of Iraqis will not stop, but increase. Once the terrorists take over, Iraq virtually becomes controlled by Iran. Besides, I'm not sure if you want to see the petro resources controlled by terrorists(Not Real Iraqi people).

    And you are an asshole, take that n00b...

    Bullshit..
    I see people talking about MILLIONS of IRAQIS died because of American bombardment.. Thats bullshit.
    According to reports, about 70-80 thousands non-combatants (Civilians) have died in Iraq since 2003. And only 9% of them have died from aerial bombardment, Which is far from MILLIONS of dead Iraqi people.

    Iraqis were dying in vain since always, Saddam killed more Iraqis than US. You will be shocked to know that about 68% of Iraqi deaths since 2003 are reportedly from different terrorists attacks. While US troops have save many Iraqis from the clutches of AQ. so its clear who is killing Iraqis..

    US attacked Iraq because 1) Saddam was abusing UN's 'food for oil' program, which was intended to get food for starving Iraqis in exchange of oil, to get money, illegally, for gaining the control in the region again. He was using money for personal gains and to support terrorists.
    2) US had reports that Saddam was using the money to built WMDs, Where US forces didn't get any ready to use WMD, but they get many leads that suggested that WMDs were in the making.

    Unlike Saddam, Musharraf is a weak leader, and he is working to restore the democracy..
    Besides, do you want America to attack Pakistan too?? LMAO...

    Do you think the children who lost their father or mother in the terrorist attacks, and in the hand of Saddam, will ever regret that US attacked Iraq, displaced Saddam and killed many terrorists?
     
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  8. webcracker

    webcracker Peon

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    #48
    Iraq wasent attacked by allied nations.. it was by americans and then others jumped into to clean the mess USA created in there..

    F*ck off.. you better lick bush's d1ck. lmao

    lol.. Do you watch CNN, BBC?

    Where was America before 9/11.. the most of the crimes saddam did were way before that!!! AQ wasent killing anyone in iraq before America landed in there..

    Points to be noted here.

    At the start of war many UN nations condemned USA for attacking iraq. even if saddam was doing that.. who the hell is america to do all BS.. UNO got its own powers to stop that.. they could have sent the multinational army in there.. why fuckin US... (Now dont say UNO's army wasent enough or UNO asked USA to go ahead )

    I am talking about double standards of USA. not attacking Pakistan.. Mush.. is a dictator not a leader.. he is a army general and the whole world knows how a dictator will restore democracy!!.. (He deported a democratically elected Prime minister to a third country and is now paced to be sworn as president... you call it democracy???)

    I.e what you think... you think those are terrorists.. but most of iraqi's call them freedom fighters. People hate america more than AQ.. thats the fact..
     
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  9. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #49
    Webcracker what are you some kind of radical islamic terrorist
     
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    webcracker Peon

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    #50
    Nope.. :D Just telling the truth to the people.. as i stated earlier i am against the one who kill innocent people be its AQ or USA.
     
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  11. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #51
    What does Iraq have to do with 9/11, us being attacked, terrorism or anything for that matter? :confused:
     
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    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #52
    Get your facts straight...

    You need to re-study about the region. The tension and struggle between Kurds and Muslims, Shias and Sunni is not new in that region..

    UNO is a joke, a pathetic joke...

    I'm not concerned about Pakistan... The leadership in Pakistan doesn't support them who are hostile to the US so why would US attack Pakistan? You fix your own country..

    Thats the fact in the minds of Muslims hostile to the US...
     
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  13. tarponkeith

    tarponkeith Well-Known Member

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    #53
    I think our heroes need to know that they won't be thrown into harms way unless necessary...
     
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    webcracker Peon

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    #54
    Eh.. US/UK.. may be you people call those allied nations.. yeah those two attacked.. Then after spain and korea sent there armies there... may be i am wrong there.. but still you cant justify the attack on iraq...!!!

    That tension is going on from last 1000 years.. Iraqi's were used to live with that now.. why everything got out of control just when US got there... so thats what i am saying US made a mess there..!!

    Buddy Get your facts right!!..

    Huh!! Now that shows how arrogant american's are!

    US is only concerned about there own people!! US dont care for others blood.. they could kill thousands to make sure they dont get 1 man killed. Thats BS...

    Not only in the muslim.. but in all people's mind who are from countries which has nothing to do with US and AQ.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #55
    Not that I agree with him, because I honestly do not, however thewebmaster is not American
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #56
    Man...I sure missed the fun...AGS spitting out his non-sense as usual, and now we have this noob called webcracker....I give him about 2 months and he will be banned...any takers? I have got to get internet at home so I can keep up with the banter.
     
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  17. The Webmaster

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    #57
    Who am I to justify the the attack on Iraq? I stated the reason that made US to attack Iraq. Agree that the attack 'surfaced' the mess that was already there. The only difference was the 'mess' wasn't getting the headline of world news..

    No, US didn't create the mess, it has only given the mess place in headlines of world news media....


    Huh!! Now that shows how ignorant you are!!
    I'm not an American.

    And Pakistanis cant get rid of a dictator by their own? Ridiculous....

    Only in the Muslims and Sympathizers... Other wise no one would see US worse than AQ. Even not those people, who do not support US's actions in Iraq...
     
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    Pauline Peon

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    #58
    Very good point Valley.
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #59
    The effectiveness of the "surge" is something that will be decided over the long term, not based on month to month totals. The real effectiveness will be determined if Iraq establishes some sort of effective government and if both fundamentalist Islamic terrorists are eliminated, there is no widespread civil war, and wanton armed criminality is eliminated.

    In a sense, I am surprised by the numbers for a certain reason. There were two significant and fundamental changes connected with the "surge". One was the increase in troop levels.

    The second less discussed change, but more fundamental was that the number of active patrols and missions by the troops was radically changed. I think the number of active patrols has increased by a factor of 5-10 from that engaged in 2006. Essentially the American forces have gone out to engage the various Iraqis. That is a big change.

    It's very essence "guaranteed" that there were going to be more American casualties during the period when American forces were engaging various enemy elements in Iraq.

    In that there have been less American deaths in September than in the previous months that has been good.

    But it is no way a definitive statement that the "surge" is working or not working.

    We have seen an alliance of native Iraqi tribes in the North working with Americans to combat Al-Queda in Iraq insurgents.

    Whether this is ultimately successful or not will be determined over time.

    Simultaneously, Al-Sadr has told his troops not to engage the Americans for about 6 months. He has also encouraged his supporters to leave the government.

    The Shiites could well be engaged in internal combat for control of the shiite territories. That does seem to be happening in the South.


    The problem with the Bush administration being short term overly optimistic is that it has proved to be misleading again and again and again.

    By example:

    At the start of the war, administration predictions were as follows;

    This will be a short war
    This war will cost about $50 billion
    Iraqi oil flows and oil income will pay for reconstruction

    Memorial Day - 2005. Dick Cheney predicted on Larry King (national television) that the "insurgency is in its last throes".

    The believability factor on "good news" coming from the administration is not there.

    Nevertheless, time will tell if progress that has taken root to date will expand across the nation and if it will not erupt into new problems.
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    #60
    US is doing great in Iraq. Soldiers and Iraqis are very happy. There is huge flow of honey and milk.
     
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