Neocon Norman Podhoretz says to Bush bomb Iran

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    Leading Neocon adviser meets with newspaper to offer open advice to Bush to bomb Iran
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2558296.ece
    “I urged Bush to take action against the Iranian nuclear facilities and explained why I thought there was no alternative,” said Podhoretz, 77, in an interview with The Sunday Times.

    “I laid out the worst-case scenario – bombing Iran – versus the worst-case consequences of allowing the Iranians to get the bomb.”

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    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    This is complex situation, Iran supports terrorists, and terrorist having nukes = The world is doomed. BUT with a big BUTT, bombing Iran must be the last resolve. Besides denying Iranian people the nuclear energy(Mind that civil nuclear energy, not atomic arsenal) is not fair enough. Then again on the other hand, the asshole supreme power that rules Iran(read Mulla A.K.A. Khomeini) is not trust worthy at all....
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    I think it will be very hard for Khomeini to control Iran since he has been dead for many years. :rolleyes:
     
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    neo conservatives have hijacked the word conservative and republican party.
     
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    trust me mate, every supreme leader that gets appointed after khomeini is 10x worst. :(
     
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    Yes you are right, What I meant was Khamenei not Khomeini, my mistake...
     
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    He's right, peaceful persuasion won't work with Iran with such a stubborn government.

    It's pretty simple:

    Either let Iran build their weapons.

    Bomb the facility's that make the weapons.

    Anyone thinking a peaceful solution is viable is definitely a dreamer.
     
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    Children, take cover!! :rolleyes:
     
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    That's what needs to be prevented;)
     
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    Only nice white western children though eh... Fuck the brown arab ones. :rolleyes:
     
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    I think your extremely racist & should seek help.

    And just in case you didn't know there are brown children in Israel too, but you knew that right?
     
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    #14
    There are brown children everywhere genius. :rolleyes:

    The point is, While you pretend to be so noble protecting white kids and jewish kids you seem to have the attitude of "fuck them" when it comes to other kids.
    I'm interested to know why you lack the nobility when it comes to Iranian children that you so readily present in your fabricated threats to white, western and jewish children.
     
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    Proof of your claims please.

    What you seem to see is the colors of children whilst i see just children, that's your problem, otherwise you wouldn't even make such nonsense claims at all, about it being color related or that one color doesn't matter.
     
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    The proof is in the words you write practically every time you touch your keyboard. You are in favour of every bomb that gets dropped on them and in favour of none that they drop. And now you are wanting to drop bombs on kids to stop the hypothetical situation that Iran may oneday create a facility capable of processing materials to create nuclear weapons.

    I think you are detached from reality. I don't think you understand the implications of what you support of the effect it has on these people.
     
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    It doesn't matter. Bush has already changed the language of the potential war with Iran, just as he changed the language after no WMDs were found in Iraq.

    Now, the claim is that Iran is undermining Iraqi freedom, and the Senate and Congress have stupidly agreed that the Iranian Republican Guard (or whatever they are called) are terrorists. Which given Bush's mandate due to the skrinking violet nature of the Congress, to fight terrorism, is nearly an authorization for war.

    Let me make something very, very clear. The Founders specifically restricted the President from having war powers without an express declaration from Congress. Not an authorization to use military force. Not an authorization to enforce UN resolutions. They have to formally declare war for it to be legal under the Constitution, and then, and only then can the President go to war in a formal and legal capacity against an enemy.

    There are people in this forum who will argue that I'm soft because I am hiding behind the Constitution. I want to make it explicitly clear that the Constitution is the defining document of the Republic of America. Supporting the Constitution is not about weakening the "war on terror" (sic). It is about respecting the rule of law, and the foundation that was laid for this country, one that prevents a single man from taking a nation of millions into a bloody and costly battle without the approval of the citizenry. The Constitution is not just a piece of paper, and every politician and soldier swears to uphold the Constitution, not an oath of loyalty to the executive branch or commander-in-chief.

    War support is at a terrible low. The President's support is also very low. Congress's approval rating is atrocious. We wouldn't be in this situation if we had done this right, declared war, taxed for it, raised a larger standing army and ended it in 2 years.

    Instead, we're being sold a bill of goods that this war might go on for another decade. I don't know when people will wake up, and demand accountability from the congress. Maybe when there is a draft. That just might do it.
     
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    #18
    Your replies are no more factual than a comic strip; if anyone is detached from reality it’s definitely you. No where in any thread/post do I suggest bombing a race or children, that is merely a fabricated attempt to play the victim on your part & to gain sympathy for yourself & Iranian government who are in the process of creating nuclear weapons, not might, they are, to use against those dreaded Jews that you hate.

    If you want to question anyone’s support or lack of understanding of the consequences of their actions then you might want to email or write to the Iranian government, they continue to press on with the nuclear weapons program, a program which will be used to threaten Israel or to even attack them, this can’t be allowed to happen no matter how much you hate Jews (even though you claim to be one), the Iranian government are the one’s who will cause many deaths even of their own people & children, frankly they don’t care, they know what will happen.

    War is not nice, deaths are not nice, peace is the best option, so petition the Iranian government & do something positive for once in your life & save those little brown children along with little white (olive) Israeli children (who you don’t hate;)).
     
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    I have no need to play the victim, It isn't me or my kids who are going be eating phosphorus gas. It just seems odd toopac that every country you support the bombing of has a population significantly darker than you. It's a bit of a stretch to think that is just a coincidence.

    The leader of Iran hasn't done anything. If he goes ahead with constructing facilities capable of producing nuclear weapons we would know about it and we could destroy them. Going to war before he has even started doing anything is just an excuse to fuck another country up. What exactly are we going to be bombing? There is nothing there to bomb yet.
     
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    This ought to be a fun one to watch. The racist is trying to make everything about race and call others racist.... hmmm... seems like we have seen this happen with people like ags, yoyo and friends before, but never with one this stubbornly ignorant.
     
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