In case you missed: Some quotes from Israel founders

i think the people of middle east are ready for a peace it is the people in us and pakistan and iran that are not ready for peace as they do not feel the war so they do not need peace

 

Kids that bring up the argument of "i don't see them searching for an israeli bomb..." shame on you!

Here are some Jewish/Zionist extremist examples:






Swedish woman stoned by Jewish Extremists


I could go on and on posting this crap... but I won't because I KNOW that extremism exist on BOTH SIDES! Unlike kids on this forum who think it's one way.

Next time remind me not to join in the discussion with you..

 

These cowards would try to intimidate you, call you names and harass you for posting the truth.

 

So for what kind of bombs do they search me when I get on a plane? I still didn't get an answer? I have Jewish neighbours and I feel very comfortable living next door to them.

I would NOT feel the same way if I had the other dudes as neighbours. Again, there is a difference between propaganda and TRUTH. Just out of curiosity, why is it that Palestinians get attacked?

I never heard of Palestinian kids on buses on their way to school being bombed by "Jewish Zionists".

Remember truth versus fiction.

 

Israel has had it coming for a long time.
Vengeance is coming there way.

These animals..

Monsters that have been built to kill innocent people, and then when they kill all these people they expect people to shut up about.

They think they can come into someone's home.. and destroy it, and then people will shut up about it? Israel remember what you have done, because one day the Arabs will rip your country apart.. piece by piece.

some video for people who don't' know who these animals are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0

 

Seems that there are many with a very short term memory, like who attacked who yesterday?

Retaliation

and long term memory

1936-39 Israeli buses already being attacked

 

Here is another video talking about these animals.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0jP_YQSj8U

 

Oh, I thought Israel got their butts kicked in that war?

Can't make up your mind? Never mind, lying about stuff makes it so much better for you.

Next time tell your friends to not hide amongst the children or use them for shields if you don't want kids to die. Israel gave warning that they were coming in, if I heard that I would have moved my kids to a safer place and not had them protect the idiots. (this would make sense if you care for people and not mohamad)

 

Hey debunked,

Hehe I'm not going to waste my time with you.... Go tell your Bush that the Oil in Iran is good these days, I think it's time for some invading..

Israel are animals, and I don't care what you think... whatever you say means nothing... The truth is known.

Oh yeah right sorry, Israel warned them, that means now it's ok to kill women and children. You know will see how cocky you will get when someone kills your family and children.

 

Oh that's right it is Bush fault for your hatred of Jews too...

Dude, if Canadians started launching random rockets into the USA and then we warned all of them that we are coming in to get the guys doing it and some families stayed with their rocket-lobbing lame husbands and they died when the guys house was blasted to pieces - whose fault is it?

Think about it - really, it isn't rocket science.

 

It's our fault. This is because blowing up the guy's house is an inefficient, inappropriate way of enacting justice upon the individual. Why? For the reasons you just stated, that his family was still there. We need to stop assuming that the actions we take as a country are appropriate, and any collateral damage and injustice that occurs as a result of our actions is fair. Rather, we need to examine our actions and determine if that is the best way to respond to a situation, and take into account things like you suggested, collateral damage.

 

One day you will get the rocket science lesson.
You already got the plane twin tower lesson..... or wait I think Bush was the one who taught you that lesson.... fool.

 

It not 'our' or anyone else's fault that these people choose to stay with terrorists when warned previously to leave the area, to say otherwise is stupid.

 

If I warn you you to jump on one leg in circles, and shoot you in the skull if you do not, is that your fault? Am I free of repercussions since I clearly told you what to do?

This is an exaggeration of what is being suggested here, but the idea remains the same. You are positing the concept that whatever we (our country and government) demands from others is a lawful and justified order, and that those who do not obey the command are rightfully subject to the repercussions of not following that order.

Going back to my original analogy, if I tell you to do something or face punishment, while it may be stupid to not listen to my command if I have the means to punish you, it does not absolve me of my actions. I still have to have the grounds to demand such a thing to justify any actions I take as a result of your non-compliance.

I'm suggesting the same thing I suggested in my previous post: we need to examine that we have the grounds to demand the actions we demand, and stop pretending that our country is absolved of any wrongdoing because "we told you so!" after our actions. To refer to your original analogy, while it may not be wise for others to not listen to the commands of our government, their non-compliance does not absolve us of our reaction (in this case, blowing their asses up), and we still need to examine whether our actions were justified as a recourse.

 

Your example is more than an exaggeration to say the least.

The grounds or justification of these attack are self defense, everyone has the right to that, this gives you the right to take out any aggressor. When these aggressors are hiding behind women & children Israel did not just bomb innocents they warned them that they need to move to safety, it's really simple they have the option to save themselves or not.

What you suggest or are implying is that any aggressor can attack Israel (or any other country) but Israel (or any other country) can't take out the subject when they have the chance too because the aggressor is hiding behind women & children or could be, women & children that are no less than accomplices to the aggressor. And remember once the citizens are warned to move from the area how does aircraft know that there are some who stayed?

Are you suggesting along as a terrorist or an aggressor hides behind people or could be, then he can't be touched?

From what i can tell your suggesting measures that would make a country not able to defend it's self & to let terrorists have the run of the place.

 

What I'm suggesting is that just because a terrorist hides behind innocent people, it doesn't absolve us of being guilty of killing innocent people if we bomb the crap outta said terrorist. What you are apparently suggesting is that an airstrike by a jet is the proper and ideal way to kill a terrorist, and what I'm saying is that we need to examine if there are better ways to kill said terrorist while minimizing collateral damage.

We can't throw out an order and just say "well fuck em, they didn't listen". In that way we are knowingly making a decision to kill innocents, which has two consequences: one, it makes us just as bad as them, because we had an option to not kill people who's only crime was not listening to our order (who gives us justification for giving such orders?), and two, it allows the terrorists to justify their cause using things like "look at the foreign aggressors, who knowingly kill innocent people, trying to justify it as self defense".

 

You should re-read the geneva conventions. under those conventions it is the responsibility of the country/army dropping the bomb/missile not to target civilians. It is the responsibility of the country that is being bombed to minimize their own civilian casualties. So, for all practical purposes, when a terrorist uses a civilian as a shield it is their fault the citizen is killed.

While that doesn't make the citizen's family very happy, the blame needs to be properly placed. You are too easy to blame the wrong group apparently.

 

Nobody is suggesting an air strike is the best way to kill a terrorist(s) as there are better ways, however what i am suggesting is that when an air strike is the best option to eliminate a terrorist(s) or terrorist supplies etc & once the area has had an a leaflet drop, warning the citizens of the pending air strike, then surely what else can a country do? door to door searchers to check?

Nobody is ordering the people to move anywhere, leaflets drops are designed for informational purposes, what anyone does with the information is up to them.

However any reasonable person after a leaflet of that nature which is warning of an impending air strike would obviously do their best to get out of the area (this is what sane people believe) so once bombing takes place the area as far as we/Israel are concerned would be empty.

Well they will lie regardless & half-wits will always listen, so who cares.

 

Admittedly, I'm not too familiar with all the steps of a process, but wouldn't warning via leaflet drop pretty much negate the purpose of the airstrike, which is to eliminate terrorists? Wouldn't terrorists then be just as aware of what is about to happen to them?

 

Oh, again we watch QueenOfQueens crying and threatening Israel to be ripped piece by piece. Where do they train guys like you ? Have you received your Israeli flag with a bucket of fuel and a lighter, yet ? Along with the AK 47, of course