Yes, as it was a blatant lie As far as your new cartoon, I am not nor have I ever been a Gore supporter
One man's truth is another man's lie. There's no such thing as truth, and there's no such thing as right or wrong. It's all subjective and its all what people believe. Disagree all you want, but its there and its said.
There are three parts to it. Which do you believe is a lie? Don't you believe America is losing in Iraq? Harry Reid came out a few months ago and proclaimed defeat for America on behalf of democrats.
The death toll under Clinton versus Bush Jr for one. Even twisting it to the extreme doesn't equate on a per year basis. Maybe at the time of the cartoon it was true, who knows. At the moment everything I have read show otherwise. I have sene this cartoon before, and even republicans die hard to support it talked about how it was twisted and untruthful The terrorists in record numbers especially in Iraq. So many things wrong with this. Most are not terrorists in Iraq, the majority of the few that are there were created by us being there. They are not the true terrorists that would be targetting the US. Losing the battles, well Iraq sure is a mess. Most everything I was worried about is coming true there, but you know same thing the experts said before the war that you nor any other chearleeder of the war would believe
There you go with the twisting, comparing ALL deaths under Clinton, suicides, accidents, etc to just those in Iraq at that time. Talk about trying to distort stats to ones agenda.
Grim, I've placed no conditions. If you need conditions to satisfy the argument, you are welcome to them. The bottom line is, there were more military deaths under Clinton's administration than there are in the Iraq war. As such, the illustration is not lying. You may not like the facts; it may disappoint you to be proven wrong, but the bottom line is, I sourced it. I'm currently looking for the figures from the DOD website. I believe the toll is less than during the Carter administration as well, but I need to check that first.
Gtech I have not been proven wrong one bit. The war on terror is now just Iraq? Nowhere else? Those at home in the military are not part of the war on terror? Really now, I bet those who signed up to fight the war on terror and who are not in Iraq will be glad to know that. The illustration is false, if you don't see that it's pretty damn sad.
Actually, it's quite correct. I'd counter your source, but you've not provided any. As such, I'll take the high road and do it for you: http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates.pdf The cartoon illustration that is causing your grief states: Using the source I provided, add up the number of deaths in the War on Terror (and the Iraq war deaths) under Bush. Now add up ALL deaths under Clinton. Let me know what numbers you come up with. Remember what the quote says. You may not like it, but follow the quote, add the numbers up and tell me if it's a lie. Good luck.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf Here you go for some numbers. War on terror, again so you're splitting hairs here. It's not every death in the US military? Wow even if you go this route, talk about trying to twist to your agenda. Props on being able to twist, lie and dodge to make even shit smell good. Have a source that breaks down per month? You have to twist it pretty damn bad to try to make it look factual, on a per day, monthly, percentage, every angle it is wrong. Unless of course you make determinations as to what is the war on terror, yeah almost proven wrong Gtech. Sorry I'm not about to believe twists and lies such as your followers do
No, I'm not splitting hairs. You said the quote was a lie. I've just proven it wasn't. I sourced it, I requoted it, and I asked you to please follow the numbers, as the quote indicates. It is you who is splitting hairs, trying to introduce additional criteria. Here's a calculator, try again.
Sigh Gtech, no you are splitting hairs to try to make it look right. I gave you a link as well 1993 1,675,269 68,500 105,768 1,849,537 1,213 1994 1,581,649 65,000 99,833 1,746,482 1,075 1995 1,502,343 65,000 94,585 1,661,928 1,040 1996 1,456,266 65,000 92,409 1,613,310 974 1997 1,418,773 65,000 94,609 1,578,382 817 1998 1,381,034 65,000 92,536 1,538,570 827 1999 1,367,838 65,000 93,104 1,525,942 796 2000 1,372,352 65,000 93,078 1,530,430 758 7500 2001 1,384,812 65,000 102,284 1,552,196 891 2002 1,411,200 66,000 149,942 1,627,142 999 2003 1,423,348 66,000 243,284 1,732,632 1,228 2004 1,411,287 66,000 234,629 1,711,916 1,874 2005 1,378,014 66,000 220,000 1,664,014 1,942 2006 1,378,014 66,000 220,000 1,664,014 1,858 8792 But of course when YOU decide which ones are worthy of being considered the war on terror you can twist to your hearts content. BTW it states 'during the war on terror' not in the war on terror Further edit, that also does not include all dead this year. But yeah your numbers sure prove me wrong
No, you are splitting the hairs. I asked nicely. You claimed the quote was a lie. It is not. Take ALL military deaths under Clinton and take all deaths related to the war under Bush. If you honestly (that's the key word there) do that, the numbers clearly indicate this is not a lie. You may not like the comparison, but that's not the issue. The issue is, whether it was a lie. It is not. The numbers clearly indicate this. Since you are unwilling to do this, as it would clearly show that it was not a lie, but in fact accurate, I'll do it for you: Under Bush, deaths due to Hostile and WOT: 3 + 55 + 18 + 344 + 739 + 739 + 753 Total: 2651 Total military deaths under the Clinton Administration: 1213 + 1075 + 1040 + 974 + 817 + 827 + 796 + 758 Total: 7500 Thus, going by the quote in the illustration and not splitting any hairs or adding any additional criteria. Case closed.
Here's another math oddity: More military men and women died as a result of accidental death under the Clinton administration during peace time, than have died as a result of the Iraq war. Accidental deaths under Clinton: 632 + 544 + 538 + 527 + 433 + 445 + 436 + 398 Total: 4398 Deaths due to hostile under Bush: 3 + 55 + 18 + 344 + 739 + 739 + 753 Total: 2651 The only thing missing, is the outrage.
Here's another math oddity: Nearly (but not quite) as many military men and women died in total in the last year of the Carter administration alone (2,392) as have died fighting the war in Iraq (2651) over five years.
Well if it's "only" 2,651 (which I fear is an underestimate) then it's all rosy isn't it GTech? About time to and stop boring us here on DP with your carpet slipper cheerleading.