why must we take sides - either the US or terrorism?

Shouldnt you be leaving america to the red indians so and going to find your real home.
Oh wait, Nazi Germany is no longer in existance.
Well I suppose the closest thing left is Republican America.
The only countries in the last centuary to be invading/occupying two other countries at once are Nazi Gerrmany, Stalanist Russia, and Republican America.
Kind of makes you ashamed, your parents generation grew up fighting the Nazis and you go and elect them.
But I take your point, so get the fuck of the Indians land you terrorist.

 

I don't remember it, because it did not happen...

You need to read the source you posted more carefully:

" ordinary Iranians held a spontaneous candlelight vigil in Tehran in solidarity with the victims."

Again, the Iranian government did not sanction and or hold a candle light vigil...

Please cite a source that backs the claims made here...

"Ordinary Iranians" refers to the few Democratic students who love America, and freedom... Not the government.

The claim being made is that only "IRAN", meaning, the country, its people and government as a whole, held a candle light vigil after 9/11. Nothing could be further from the truth... I am sure there were people in Cuba burning candles after 9/11 as well.. That does not mean that Cuba the country or Castro some how sent their love..

Please cite a source that backs the claims by this site used to reference the original post about Iran as follows:

 

Dark-

Mia won't even grasp the basic concept of what you said. It is like arguing with a computer program that contains one line of code.

 

That's a good point. People everywhere should take the "news" or information that they hear with a grain of salt, especially on the internet.

The US media is not any necessarily any less biased than news agencies in other countries. Much of the news they report is fed to them by the government or other sources that have an agenda. They are also influenced by their advertisers.

 

Are you really an idiot, or do you just play one on an internet forum? Indians are not red.

In many cases it is... Your posts are quite a good indicator of that.

American is a Republic, yes.. Your point?

America is a Republic... Your facts are quite bit off here..

The Nazi part is not, nor has it ever been in power in the US. If it was, believe me, you would know it...

I'm part Cherokee Indian. Boy, I bet you are going to feel like a complete idiot now.

 

But Iranians are not allowed to conduct such behaviors without governmental permission. This, you and others, have argued relentlessly here. Iran is an oppressive government.....this is repeated constantly. So a repressive government of this nature would not allow this to take place in their capital city without the permission of the government.

I do not agree with Bidens interpretation of it, only that he admits it happened.

 

i don't understand why iran holding a candlelit vigil after 9/11 is relevant to this post. though just to put the record straight, in the british news following the twin towers disaster it showed tehran where the streets were alight with candles and the then president khatemi did send condolences to president bush and condemn the attack. and believe me, if the iranian government did not approve of the candlelit vigil then they would have snuffed it out, so there was tacit approval there.

 

This thread is about absolutes, there is absolute good and there is absolute bad. This is a mindset that is blinding many people into accepting a perpetual war. The good side is always good and to question it means you are bad. The bad side is always bad and to defend it means you are also bad.

You are with us, or you are with the terrorists......

So you think this quote was just random speak? Or do you think this was said for a purpose?

 

I did a search for 'iran vigil 9/11' and found this site:

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm

However, most others referenced that one source bestirantravel.com

I did find:

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/01/09/14/26528.html

Notice the date?

Here's more:

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/01/09/15/26554.html
http://iir.internetactivist.org/


In searching, I found other interesting articles:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4218986.stm

Again, I take what I hear with a grain of salt.

 

They are in the US... Think about that..

It's what is known as a distraction.. It was thrown in to change the subject and detract from the original topic in an attempt to negate anything said in response to that very topic.

Still see no CNN, Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS links .... Hmm.... Wonder why that is..

 

Very true. I noticed this as well. Not that they are necessarily unbiased (note the big difference between MSNBC and Fox).

I'm not proving or disproving anything by finding them. They could all ultimately come from one source. I noted there were over 1800 Diggs on the article published by bestirantravel.com. Those pictures could be from anywhere. I think arguing about it is pretty pointless.

 

I think it is MSNBC that makes that there Fox News look different... MSNBC has some of the worst and most biased reporting I have ever seen..

Compare them to CNN, NBC, ABC, etc... or even NPR and you can still see a difference... They have an agenda...

Either way, I would expect to see this story in a major/mainstream media outlet, however I have not.. Nor did I back in 2001... I have a good memory... But I double checked just to be sure.

I suppose.. But ultimately it is evident to me that the bestirantravel page was copy pasted into this post, and that poster did not even have the balls to cite his original source..

 

Aha! I found it! Thank you Wikipedia!

http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/vigil/ <---time magazine, no less!

Straight from A mass candle vigil is held in Teheran, Iran to mourn the loss of life in the United States.[9] - original source found on Wikipedia

 

Again, "Ordinary Iranians hold candles during a vigil in Terhan"...

The following claim was made here:

The claim is that a "country" held a vigil... The fact is, this was not a state sanctioned event... "Ordinary Iranians hold candles during a vigil in Terhan"...

I'm still waiting for some proof that the country of "Iraq" held a "spontaneious candlelight vigil."

I have yet to find it.

 

Forget that stupid article by bestirantravel. The pictures were on Time's site. The links I showed went there.

is a pretty big deal, in that a number ordinary Iranians genuinely care. Do they not matter? Why should it be state sanctioned?

 

When was the last time the US sanctioned any kind of vigil for attacks or natural disasters that took place in any other country?

Besides, thousands of civilians have died in Iraq alone since we've been there. Although I would imagine ordinary citizens in the US have held vigils about them, nothing from the US government, that I'm aware of.

 

I cannot forget that site. That is what was quoted.. The contention made is to different from reality to ignore. A few citizens having a vigil, is not the same as making the claim that Iran somehow ran a state sanctioned event to mourn for the US... That was the posters claim, that was the bestirantravel sites claim, both of which are incorrect.

Do you see what I am talking about?

It's not really a big deal, nor is it a big surprise.. We've known all along that inside every young Iranian, there is an American waiting to come out... They love our country, they love freedom, bubble gum, blue jeans and rock and roll.. A great many of them are no doubt closet Christian, homosexuals and holocaust sympathizers.

Iran's government on the other hand is the complete opposite... The poster and that web site would have us believe that Iran, the country/government is somehow the good guy in the Arab world. Nothing is further from the truth. Most Iranian people, particularly the younger generation, are the complete opposite of their government. Laying claim to what a few "ordinary Iranian" kids do in their spare time in an effort to exploit their good will for the benefit of a terrorist government is despicable.

That was the intent of the poster, and that web site.. There in lies my point and the difference between reality and propaganda.

 

D-Day, VE Day, should I go on?

More died under Saddam.. Your point? More die in the US every day from Drunk Driving.. Where's the vigil for that?

 

Interesting point. I would say that the US government is no less guilty of this same type of thing. Why did we choose to invade Iraq and Afganistan? For "humanitarian reasons", such as freeing a repressed people. No.

To find supposed WMD's and because we wanted to hunt down Osama Bin Laden? Well, we didn't find any of the first and haven't found Bin Laden

Why didn't we attack China or North Korea, both of them have nuclear weapons? They are also suppliers of arms used by terrorist groups and unstable governments.

Our government makes it sound like we are all about freeing people from an oppressive leader. What about all those other countries that have an oppressive government, or no government at all? There's plenty of them in Africa.

And for that matter, why is it our responsibility or right to invade another country that has not directly attacked us? I have seen no proof that those governments have directly harmed us. And even if they did indirectly do so, we've been indirectly harmed Chinese manufacturers selling us lead based painted toys. Why don't we start attacking them?

Because being the bullies with a hidden agenda that we are, we won't attack someone that could defend themselves. Instead, we'll go for the weak countries, directly or indirectly kill thousands, claim we're there for a good purpose, and then leave.

 

Getting back on topic, let's just make a Nixon Gang list. I've tried to reach out to a couple of them, but the attacks against my character instead of the posts just keep coming from the ones I have not marked IGNORE yet.

The Nixon Gang thrives on getting a response. Pull their teeth, and put them on ignore. Who cares what they say, it's how they hijack every thread with this nonsense about being Troofers or Terrorist Lovers through circular arguments that is ruining this forum.