why must we take sides - either the US or terrorism?

You mean like some others do with their "neo-con" slogans? is this just one way anger you have?

People who kill innocents are terrorists, people who defend these terrorists are _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ / _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _?

(btw the blanks are not "having an opinion")

 

your argument is tedious. you refuse to see any other side to this so any further attempt at debate is pointless.
will save any further comments for a member with a more intelligent viewpoint.

 

Poopac is Gtwats understudy. Their entire tactic for debate is to reduce every single thread to absolute nonsense. There is simply no way to have any kind of reasonable discussion with them, Mostly because they lack the integrity and intelligence to conduct a reasonable discussion. that's why i put Gtwat on ignore, it's a waste of time acknowledging that these types of people even have an opinion.

 

Toopac making just as much sense as ever I see I thought the school holidays were over?

It's very tempting. They don't seem to see that their opinions actually polarise people against them rather than sensibly debating their point.

The whole, "if you're not 100% behind Bush then you're a terrorist" arguement just shows them up for the zealots that they are, not really different to the people they're so against. In their eyes free speech is fine as long as it's saying what they want

 

I really despise this sort of argument as well. I want to blame the republicans but sometimes democrats can be the same way about certain issues.

 

It is really not worth talking to such an ignorant person, for one it's untrue & two you have not proof because it's untrue, comments like the above simply prove your a moron

 

I agree how ironic is that?

You won't see anyone elses viewpoint unless it is similar to your own, viewpoints don't override morals, defending idiots is not a display of morals either, wrong is still wrong. I don't think i'll ever see the day that i see somes viewpoint in regards to hamas for example & take to it like a duck to water, unless it's against them.

 

Toopac, you basically just summarized our exact problem with your tactics. We are trying to have a forum of debates when you deal in absolutes.

Moral absolutes and debates do not mix.

 

Damn those Jews...

I think stOx here just summed up the answer to your question... If Jews are involved, it must be bad.

Ultimately, those who support terrorism are those that think we should let terrorists do what they want, ignore the problem, and just be happy to be complacent.

You do not have to be for or against a war to define your willingness or unwillingness to walk into a crematorium.

As we all know, if there were no Jews, their be no terrorists... No terrorists, no war on terror...

No Jews, no Bush..

No Jews, no 9/11..

Damn those Jews...

I still adhere to the concept of you are either with us, or you are against us. Stop blaming the worlds problems on Jews and Bush...

 

So you adhere to absolutes then? OK then who was with us after 911? Let me answer that for you:

Which Middle East country held spontaneous candlelight vigils for victims of the World Trade Center Attack on 9/11?

* Kuwait - No.
* Saudi Arabia - No.
* Israel - No.
* Iran - Yes.

So who do you absolutely think was with us in spirit after 911?

 

He's not blaming everything on the Jews, but he is saying we should examine the way in which Israel was created, and the positive and negative effects of that event, to better understand current Middle Eastern relations. Most people work with the supposition that Israel is pure and good and not at all responsible for the actions and beliefs of the Muslim nations of the Middle East, without ever examining the fact that we gave them land that was NOT THEIR OWN.

For all Ahmadinejad's faults, he raises this same point, and as much as its twisted into an anti-Semitic ideal, it remains true. Half the reason the Muslims are pissed is that the West decided to uproot Palestinians to invent a nation, and they see it this as an offense to their religion and culture. This doesn't justify a lot of their actions, but you can't solely work with the postulate that "Israel does not deserve this hatred at all". They uprooted a local people with the creation of their nation, and that is one of the reasons the Middle East is pissed to this day.

 

I was wondering where anyone blamed anything on Jews? Can someone point that part out to me? I guess I'm missing it?

 

Mia's sarcastic comment that stOx is biased against all things related to the Jews:

 

Nobody did, it is just the usual canned answer if you question Israel, question bombing Iran or Syria. "You are either with us or against us".

 

Source? Maybe here: http://www.bestirantravel.com/culture/wtc-vigil.html

Come on man... You have to try a bit harder than that to fool me with your propaganda....

Nice try though..

The fact you seem to forget is that the land they no occupy was always theirs to begin with... The Anti-semite meter is off the scale this morning..

No one was uprooted... You misunderstand reality...

Oh stOx has a long pattern of laying blame to those nasty Jews... So too do many here apparently...

It's pretty sad...

 

So dem dar pictures are actually photochopped and that is really Israelis?

 

It's a celebration, not a vigil...

 

Celebration?
Yeah who is spewing propaganda.....

 

I am just going to assume that you are not old enough to remember 9/11. I do. I do not ever remember Iran holding a government sanctioned Candle light vigil.

The first I ever heard of this was on September 16th, 2007 at the following site: http://www.bestirantravel.com/culture/wtc-vigil.html

You can google this topic till you are blue in the face. Show me a single news link from September of 2001 that shows conclusively that the claims made by you and (http://www.bestirantravel.com/culture/wtc-vigil.html) are true.

Muslims in Iran were celebrating, the world over.. I remember it then, I see it still today. With the exception of Qatar, which not only condemned the terrorists, but bought TV ad time in our country to show their support for us.

You are delusional and confused if you think that I or anyone else is going to believe something someone fabricated only a short time ago.

Like I always say, just because you say it, does not make it so.

 

You didn't remember it so it didn't happen? That is classic.

Oh wait I read the rest of your ignorant thread. "Just google it and find me proof". You are kinda silly in that regards right? If you cannot google it it did not happen? I am not going to go through hundreds of hours of news casts to show you what i saw with my own eyes, but how about someone else that collaborates what I saw? Like a US representative talking on the record?

http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=181838