Have you ever wonder about the existent of GOD?

And for all this talk when you consider that atheists say there is no God and yet they don't unite to help save the world this leaves me a little puzzled. If there is no God to help the poor, shouldn't the atheists get together to help those less fortunate than them?

Or is their time better spent just CONvincing others who live with hope of a better life that they are wasting their time? My belief is if there were more Christians this world would be a much better place. But then again, I can only IMAGINE. IMAGINE more people living their life by the golden rule.

Ingersoll a well-known atheistic writer referring to Jesus: "With Renan, I believe Christ was the one perfect man. <Do unto others what you would that
they should do unto you> is the perfection of religion and morality. It is the summum bonum. It was loftier than the teachings of Socrates, Plato, Mohammed, Moses or Confucius. It superseded the commandments that Moses claimed to have gotten from God, for with Christ's <do unto others> there could be no murder, lying, covetousness, or war"

 

Why do they need to get together and do good things? We can do them perfectly well on our own. And if there ever is a task that requires a group you can bet that atheists wouldn't group only with other atheists, We would group with everyone who wanted to help, regardless of colour, creed or religion.

Like i said, Atheists don't do good things in the name of atheism. We just do them.

Like i said before and like you failed to answer. Name me one good deed that can only be performed by a believer.

People believed that long before jesus said it. Like with the ten commandments, All they were was a list of things people already believed. You don't think people believed murder and theft were ok before moses said so do you? Moses may as well have said "don't eat dog shit", People already knew this stuff. it didn't make them not kill any more than me telling you not to eat dog shit prevents you from doing it.

And like i said before, If you need religion to make you do good things, How can you possibly consider yourself to be a good person?

 

you know dude if you just spent more time trying to get along with people of all faiths and backgrounds you would get a much broader view of things without compromising your religion. the trouble is you want everyone to think like you and be like you and when they are not you think that it is because they are against christianity. everyone in this world has the right to choose their own faith or lack of it, and no-one should accuse others of being wrong simply for holding a different viewpoint.
i work with people from mixed faiths and backgrounds, some paid, some volunteers, who all assist in community projects that help keep kids off the streets and out of crime, or integrate recently arrived immigrants into the community. nobody makes a song and dance about their faith, in fact i don't know the religious persuasion of most of them, but we all work together.
that is what life is all about.

 

I just happen to come from a communist country so I am well aware of what happens when atheists get together. After all, atheism was one of the foundations of communism. Help me, was it 20 million killed in Russia alone when the atheists were in power? And 2 million also killed by Pol Pot?

And as for people believing what Jesus said long before him, sorry but I don't belong to the same atheistic club that you do. Here's another interesting one. We live in 2007 right? Why is it called 2007 and not 1003 or 4213? What event made us count time from a certain date?

Before the Law of Moses people in Egypt (the civilized ones at the time) were rubbing their heads with donkey dung to cure boldness. They were also doing some other crazy things like washing hands in a bowl of water not in running water as the Jews were commanded by Moses. We NOW know this running water was good for washing away a lot of microbs. Here's an interesting one though. Moses commanded the Jews when they go to war and they need to relieve themselves to go out of the camp, dig a hole, and then cover up the faeces. Weird thing to do in those days. Now we know that was a brilliant idea as many others would die in wars because of the diseases spread by flies and other shit loving insects. Did people know that before Moses? I didn't think so either.

By the way, I do NOT consider myself to be a good person. Far from it. That's why I need a Saviour. After all, Jesus din not come for the righteous (good people). He came for the unrighteous: people like me (proteindude).

 

So give me a better principle for governance than the golden rule and I will embrace other faiths as well. You show me a better principle and I will stop thinking of my faith/religion as being a superior one. You can believe whatever you want, it's your free choice since belief is a choice. But I would really like to see a superior principle to the golden rule, something even Ingersoll (a famous atheist) would adhere to. See, I am listening to what an atheist said. Really looking forward to the superior principle. Here's your chance to prove me wrong and put me back in my box.

 

The murders weren't done in the name of atheism any more than they were done in the name of moustaches. The people doing it just happened to be atheists, Like they just happened to wear moustaches, Drink tea or enjoy sunsets. It wasn't the motivation for the killing.

It's 2007 because we use the christian calendar. So what? That doesn't prove anything other than we use the christian calendar.

That's common sense. it's likely that one person would eventually think of it. Wheres the shocker?

That is the saddest thing i have ever heard. Quite pathetic really.

Anyway, Back to the questions you constantly fail to answer like the sniveling little coward you are.

As an atheist, I do 3 days volunteer work a week. How much do you, As a christian, Do?

Tell me one good deed that only a believer can perform.

 

communism and atheism are not the same thing.
a person can choose to not belong to any organised religion or refute the existence of god without being in any way a communist.
communism is more like an organised relgion in that it indoctrinates people and demands mindless obedience.
you obviously have many issues which you need to work through perhaps with a more moderate/sane christian, in order to put things in perspective otherwise you may end up feeling even more bitter and twisted than you already do.

 

Your reply to: "Moses commanded the Jews when they go to war and they need to relieve themselves to go out of the camp, dig a hole, and then cover up the faeces. Weird thing to do in those days. Now we know that was a brilliant idea as many others would die in wars because of the diseases spread by flies and other shit loving insects. Did people know that before Moses? I didn't think so either. " shows me that you're not really using your logic. You are desperately trying to discredit the Bible. It is such a pathetic reply. After all when it comes to atheists it's all about chance.

And regarding: "you constantly fail to answer like the sniveling little coward you are." Like I said to you once and I will say it again: I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE A GOOD PERSON.

 

jude, here's my question AGAIN, in reply to your view on other religions: So give me a better principle for governance than the golden rule and I will embrace other faiths as well. You show me a better principle and I will stop thinking of my faith/religion as being a superior one. You can believe whatever you want, it's your free choice since belief is a choice. But I would really like to see a superior principle to the golden rule, something even Ingersoll (a famous atheist) would adhere to. See, I am listening to what an atheist said. Really looking forward to the superior principle. Here's your chance to prove me wrong and put me back in my box.

Still waiting for your reply.

 

If religion was responsible for such good how do you explain the fact that you, A christian, are a self proclaimed "bad person" and i, An atheist, Do 3 days volunteer work a week?

Like most christians all you do is quote that stupid book of yours and pretend that you have done your bit for humanity. The rest of us get out there, get our hands dirty and help people where it really matters. You make me sick, Nothing more than a fraud.

 

I have been attempting to unite people under the banner of a New New World Order under my stewardship, however because no one sees me as having a chance I lack the support that someone else who has a brainwashed cult following would have.

My goodness, I have answeres to the power crisis, scientific moral dilemmas, pollution, criminal overpopulation, animal cruelty, the Middle East, Asia, Africa, the entire economy of the world, and freedoms of being human. I have an answer for just about everything... although I do revise myself as I keep an open mind about changing policies. So what makes me so... undesirable versus a sky fairy who - according to the bible - laid waste to towns he didn't like, killing thousands?

 

so would I!

 

Ok, take the atheists versus the Christians. Who opened more hospitals, more orphanages, who goes to the ends of the world and provides aids to the poor, who went into the streets of Calcutta? Who put an end to slavery?

You see, by you insulting my book it doesn't increase my respect for you.

I see you are very proud of yourself. Pride is an abomination in the sight of God.

Heaven is full of bad people. people so bad they knew they had no chance of making it into heaven. So they (including me) are eternally grateful to what Jesus did for them (me). The prayer you hear the most in heaven is: "Thank you Jesus, because if it weren't for you I would not be here."

The ones in hell,.... one of the reasons they are there is pride.

But tell me stOx, since you are such a good person: did you ever tell a lie? If so, what do you call someone who tells lies?? Have you ever stolen anything? Ok, so then what do you call someone who steals things? I am just wondering how good you still consider yourself to be.

 

Sounds recycled to me.

 

Teach the truth about the opportunity of everlasting life.

 

is this a trick questions?

 

Does that feed someone? Does that clothe someone? Does that fix someone's bone, help someone's cold, or save someone's life from a train in front of them? in fact, a non believer could teach truth too - their truth. Many times when christians, muslims, and others were teaching their truth, they were using swords, axes, spears, arrows, gallows, fires, pits, racks, ropes, chains, whips, clubs, maces, and a myriad of other lovely tools.

 

Sure, but remember the atheists through their way of governance (mainly communism) killed a lot more folks than all the religions combined together.

 

Atheists probably opened more hospitals. But they wouldn't have done it in the name of atheism. That is the point. Atheists don't do things in the name of atheism, They just do them. More to the point, How many hospitals have you opened? In fact, Have you ever actually done anything for anyone besides point at your cult and take responsibility for the few occasions that they decided to help someone instead of hoard money and abuse small boys?

In america the Free Soil Party put an end to slavery, They had no religious connection. In Britain William Wilberforce was responsible for the abolition of slavery, He had no particular religious leanings that i know of beyond what was normal for the time and his motivation come from the book "Rights of Man" by Thomas Paine, Paine was a notorious opponent of christian doctrine.

All you are doing is assuming that religion was responsible for these things and taking credit for them. So while there is nothing to suggest religion it at all responsible for the abolition of slavery, I could point you to many parts of the bible which specifically condones slavery. A stronger case could be made that religion was responsible for slavery than could ever be made that it was responsible for it's abolition.

Luckily increasing your respect for me is not something i am interested in doing.

I don't give a shit what your imaginary friend thinks of me.

I can't remember any specific time when i told a lie, But I'm sure i would have told some during my life. And i can't remember ever stealing anything. But we are back to you assuming that it's your fairy story which is the arbiter of what makes someone a good person. Have i done bad things? Yeah, probably. Have i done more good than bad, You bet. So again, How many hours of volunteer work do you do each week, As a christian.

You don't need to be a christian to know it's not good to lie or steal, But most people know this and most people try to avoid doing those things. For you, That is enough. For other people they try to go that bit extra and instead of just not do any bad, They try to also do good. You simply quote scripture and pretend that you have done your bit for humanity, When in reality you have done nothing for anyone except make yourself feel better because you have an invisible friend that can forgive you. Christianity is nothing more than a refuge for the selfish and the lazy.

Again (do you even read what people write?) those people just happened to be atheists. Atheism was no more responsible for them killing than their moustaches were or the cup of tea that they had with breakfast. The difference is, if an atheist kills it isn't done in the name of atheism, When the religious kill, 9 times out of ten it's done specifically for thier god. It's estimated that the crusades were responsible for 60 million deaths by the way, Jesus was responsible for 10 times the deaths as Hitler.

 

did you know that every nazi had emblazoned on his belt 'gott mit uns' which means 'god with us', and that hitler once stated - 'i believe i act in accordance with the will of the almighty creator.' google it - it is there for all to see.
so how many millions were killed by the nazis in the second world war?
and you still hold the opinion that religious conflicts have not killed more people than any other kind of conflict?