god guilty of his creation

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    would god be guilty of his creation,
    when he see's the world, he would find most people running around for money, everyone's just busy behind doing nothing.

    crime and destruction plans are going full swing around the world,
    spending on weapons and arms is increasing.
    humans are killing humans
    people from same family live seperately

    there are so many things more which would make GOD cry
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    Do you think g-d knew this would happen?
     
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    he must have known it, may be he destroyed life on other planets for this reason.
     
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    If he knows it, why would he create civilizations he knows that he will destroy? I don't know the answer to that, just asking.:)
     
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    yea thats logical if he knew he wont have created, so i used the words must have, as i myself am not certain why he created.
     
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    Allow me to disagree. When God created everything He saw that it was good. It was man (actually the woman) that stuffed it all up.
    So we can't pin this on God. As a human you want your free choice which is what you got. Free choice also means the ability to do evil. If God did not allow you to do evil you would say that your free choice is limited, but as you can clearly see it is not.
     
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    In some religions they believe that g-d actually made a deal with the devil/lucifer. The devil could rule the earth for a certain period of time until he is cast into hell at some point in time. Some believe that for now, satan is ruling the earth. They would believe g-d is just watching this and letting satan have free reign I guess.
     
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    I didn't want anything, I didn't even exist. I didn't get to make any of the rules.
     
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    If it depends on God for you to be saved then you have nothing to worry about. Come Judgement Day God cannot send you to Hell because he didn't do His job to save you. So it would be totally unfair. However, if it does depend on you to get saved then you do have a problem.

    Again, you do have a free choice when it comes to determining who you follow. I don't know if you're Jewish or not, the point Jesus made is that no one (that means NO ONE) can serve two masters. You can choose to serve God or the devil. It's that simple.
     
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    Currently I worship pomeranian dogs. I would never bow down to the parti-colored ones, but obviously the red colored ones are divine.
     
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    What else you do with these dogs?
     
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    but now when he knows the current condition on earth, dont u think he would feel guilty for his creation, thats the basic point.

    btw i had brough a tshirt " god does mistake he created women" this was the title written over it,

    and most of them felt i was a gay which im not, this is the real point i wanted to make.
     
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    Putting the blame on God is not something I agree with. This is my personal view. I think it's so easy to blame God. I guess as a kid I always had certain things inbuilt in me: I was hungry and I knew food would satify my hunger. Was thirsty and I also knew water would satify my thirst. I was also experiencing some feelings and I knew ONLY a woman would satisfy those feelings. One other thing I also had inbuilt in me was a strong belief that no one can blame God. No one, not even those in hell can say God dealt unfairly with them. You can of course disagree with this but this is something that I have inbuilt in me from a very early age.

    If anyone is to blame, I still say it's not God but the choices made by men and women. Or should I say the choices made by humans.
     
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    its pointless to debate about that tshirt line comment, it was just little example to give a hint about this topic.

    the real discussion here is if god is guilty rite now considering present world situation.

    im sure those who believe in god remember him every day, dnt u think there is too much burden on his head now with things getting worst.
     
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    If limited choice means no wars, no car bombs, no terrorism, no 9/11, no millions fleeing their war-torn countries with nothing and getting their lives destroyed, no big bullying the small, and no evil whatsoever, then trust me, you would not hear me complaining about my limited choice.

    Oh and it is always good to know we men are not the problem. Evil Eve...
     
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    But then again, what if an evil dude says he wants the option to do evil and yet God is not allowing him to enjoy his free choice which is to commit something you would not agree to? Wouldn't this mean God is fair to one and not to another?

    Eve is the FIRST one to have disobeyed God. So yes, go ahead and blame her. So you can see what disobedience brought to us all. If it weren't for Eve, man would still be happily living in Paradise.
     
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    I am sorry, but this post is so illogical and makes no sense. A good ruler does not allow criminals to go around and kill others, he puts them in jail. Or do you want us to be ''fair'' to criminals and let them go on a killing spree? So no, it would not mean God is fair to one and not to another, it would mean that God is just and actually cares. It would mean that God does not want people to suffer.

    If my mother kicks you or does something bad to you, would you want me punished or my mother? Now think about my great great great great great great grandmother. Are you saying I am being punished because she ate an apple?
     
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    Don't worry. God has a plan he put in place from day 1 of the rebellion in Genesis. It's all going to be very very good soon.
     
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    hope so coz no one is really happy from inside as one should be.

    poor crib coz they dnt hav money
    rich crib of diseases and pains, threats from their money being stolen , threats from tax department.

    middle class are worried that they are always in middle. so whrs the world goin.
     
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    Well, guess what??? I agree with you. As a good ruler God will put an end to all crimes/sins. He will not allow just anyone into Heaven. He does allow people to make a choice no matter whether you agree with Him allowing people to make their choice.

    Dude, whatever my mother did to me I make a choice to either let it affect me or not. I am in control of myself. Just like I choose to do good or evil, I (proteindude) have a choice. And besides, God already made a way for redemption.

    I don't see how anyone is punishing you. If you got a problem with the mess the world is in do something like Mother Theresa did. Remember, the smallest act of kindness is worth more than the grandest intentions. Rather than blabbing on about what a mess the world is in do something about it.

    And Eve didn't just eat an apple. She chose to disobey God who gave her so much to be thankful for and listened to the devil first. And the man wasn't that much better. He chose to follow Eve's example so in a sense they are both just as guilty. Just goes to show what happens when you listen to the wrong guy.

    However, you can make a difference but it will cost you some time and money.
     
    proteindude, Sep 24, 2007 IP