Is the war against terrorism a crusade?

christian is all about love, they even must love their enemies, they NEVER want a war. isn't they?

 

I didn't thought my post would create this kind of reaction. But in order to flow with the wave i want to say that many of muslims think this is not a war against terrorism it is a war against them or in other words a crusade. One of my friends here said that if this was a crusade then america has such power that would wipe muslims out in 4 days. Some poople think that America cannot declare war on muslims openly. America is using propoganda to finish muslims of one by one. First Afghanistan then iraq now it is after Iran and after that Pakistan.
Some others think that America is doing all this to reach china and stop its rapid progress. Some muslims also think that Osama is an american agent that is why is not yet been captured and whenever something important is going to happen osama isussues a video tape. This include the Video tape release close to american elections. and one more thing is said very often that a 9/11 none of the jews who worked at world trade center came to their job.
If you want to talk about it in prospect of religion then i want to say reply to my jew friend who quoted some words and said that god will crush those who will try to crush them. Jews believe that Muslims will be destroyed by them and something like that and they say that this will happen when a wall or some structure (i don't know where it is in jeruslem but i know it is in jeruslem) will be destroyed.
As far as Islam as a religion is concerened Islam is a very peacefull religion. I am 100% sure that All the people who have commented here and other non muslims havn't read the islamic history or Prophet Muhammad's(P.B.U.H) Life. They just talk about the things they hear. Muslims when started to gain power in arab they were attacked by the locals( they don't attacked them first) but everytime they won and released the prisoners after war without executing a single life. Even when Makkah was captured Muhammad (P.BU.H) ordered His followers not to hurt any women, child, old or any man who don't attack them. These are some examples for the people who say islam is a violent relegion. And What is the definition of extremeist or fanatic? you don't know that and talk about it freely.
I want to sum up my talk with this fact that all the muslims think that America is fighting a crusade or want to start one.

 

its more of usa domination, why is russia not falling into this , nor china ?

 

usman, you'll have to do some more research about Islam and do it on a neutral way to see what is real and what is fiction.

 

some good lectures to start with. Many books with sneak readings.

 

So you are back at arguing without a clue. This is just like your arguement that "your military" means something besides "your military"

Dude, you are so clueless. I will stop wasting my time. You hate Christians with a passion and probably have no clue why.

Nothing you posted above is true about me. I take the Bible seriously and God plays a huge part in my life. I know the Bible far better than you which is obvious from your last few posts.

ramble on.... I don't want to sound like a fool by arguing with one.

 

yup, the religion of peace alright.....

 

That just depends on what your definition of "is", is...

 

Although this has something to do with religion, I think it has probably even more to do with trying to protect our country. This isn't to say that things aren't a mess right now, but I'm not into all the conspiracy stuff that we went over there primarily based on alternative reasons that weren't touched on before the war began.

 

I'll have to admit, that was a good one...

 

The fact that you don't know there are Christian religious zealots and extreme evangelists that want to see muslims wiped out means that you are not qualified to participate in this or any conversation on religion. I mean cmon... are you even serious?

I'll have that discussion with you any day my friend Tell you what, show me in the bible where it addresses dinosaurs directly... Not some obscure passage that you "think just might" be talkign about dinosaurs. Show me something you can be sure of. I mean besides, this is something you are basing your LIFE and the way you live it on. So of course you want to be able to say you're sure... don't you?

Until then you'll continue to just look like one of those awkward people who laugh at things that aren't funny in a weak attempt to get someone (anyone) to agree with you. Sorry

 

debunked, dude he just explained to you precisely why Christians want Muslims killed. They are the enemies of Israel. He sited facts that are obviously based on research and prior knowledge.

wtf are you even talking about?

This post just solidified it for me. You are blindly supporting Christianity in a discussion with people who know more about it than you.... You're a joke... I mean you told him you don't think he understands and he obviously understand far better than you. Just stop talking rofl..

 

I will ask for some proof, but your ego will get in the way of you showing any.

Like I ask my kids " are you sure?"

Proof. You know, some facts. The ones that can be proven and not just "I guessed" or "bobby told me so"

Try it sometime. Name calling doesn't change facts.

 

Secularism has also had it's share of failures and atrocities.

The failure is to recognize people as individuals and instead to look at them only in groups. Christians, Fascists, Muslims, Extremists, Terrorists, Insurgents, Crusaders etc.

These issues are sooooo complex, and we reduce them to simple group definitions and proceed with that mentality of ignored nuance.

There is an arrogance that comes with knowing everything, when many times the humility of acknowledged ignorance is required.

 

I agree. I don't get any impression that god is a factor for Cheney or Bush. ...I kind of wonder if it was the other fella with the red cape and a pitch fork.

 

That's right, You keep playing at "let's pretend to be a christian". You are christian only in name, In everything else you are hypocritical fraud.

 

Give one shred of evidence I am not Christian or that I am pretending.

Right... didn't think you could.

Move on will you, this is getting old.

I am a Christian and I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ (the Son of God) who teaches to love even the guy who wants my head, although I don't see anything about me having to let him have my head.

Again, try to get some proof for anything you said.

 

You aren't a christian because instead of speaking out about other "christians" who actively promote conflict in the middle east in an attempt to bring about Armageddon, the second coming and the rapture you play semantics.

You just carry on putting in your half an hour of clapping and self congratulatory nodding at church every week, That's all you are good for. Fraud.

 

Again - nothing, a useless, baseless post. Oh well.

You want me to speak out about those who actively promote conflict, but you have not shown who is doing that yet. I will assume that you mean anyone who fights back against evil. Like Israel who has to fight back those who keep attacking them within their borders.

I don't need to play semantics, when there isn't anything to talk about. Come back when you have something, anything to substantiate your claims. Still calling fraud when you know there isn't any.

 

Do you always use ignorance as a defence?

I clearly said in this post that "Christians for Israel" are a group who actively try to bring about conflict in the middle east to fulfil bible prophecies.

Here is thier site
Here's their reason for supporting Israel.

Do i need to tell you what those "biblical prophecies" are again? I probably should, We don't want you cowardly hiding behind ignorance again. The biblical prophecies are huge wars, Armageddon, The second coming, Rapture and the end of the world. They are actively trying to bring about the end of the fucking world!

by the way, They ask for donations on their site, Just in case you feel like funding the end of the world gang. A religious group asking for money, Well i never