What Republican candidate do you support for President in 2008?

George Washington was a great man. He didn't have religious nuts flying planes into our buildings. Oh, wait, many RP supporters think that was an "inside job," so it goes without saying that they are in denial about threats.

Sure, if that's all you have, I mean *that* Giuliani. Yep, a cross-dresser, owned RP. Imagine what a terrorist would do to him?

He's most certainly not pandering to 9/11 "troofers" making promises of opening investigations to see if it was an inside job.

If you believe American should be spanked for being naughty, have serious issues with Jews and blacks, and want our country attacked so RP can spring into action and write a letter asking them to "please stop," then RP is your man.

If national security is important to you, there's no way any reasonably intelligent person could possibly vote for this conspiracy nut!

 

I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I still would like to comment. If you ever read or listened to any Pre 9-11 interviews he talks about wanting to control the Middle East and spreading Islam around the world but to do so he needs to get rid of American’s presence in the middle east because we support the governments of Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The reason he wants to control the Middle East is to shut off the oil to the Western world until everyone converts to Islam. That’s why he is waging a holy war against us and Ron Paul would help Bin Laden accomplish that.

There are a lot of people who loves us because of CIA involvement regime changes

There are a lot of people who are blind, mentally retarded and too young to know where it is.

 

This pools shows that people that screw every online poll in Paul's favor do exist. Every one of them. Yeah

Would be easier to talk about freedoms we have NOT lost, a much shorter list

 

Right because at the time of George Washington we have people flying planes into building. Unfortunitly we leave in a time when we can't ingore what is happing around the world.

It was a roast, a joke. Man you have no sense of humor.

 

Well List 10 freedoms you've lost.

 

I agree that Rudy isn't much of a consense builder, but neither is Hiliary.

 

There ya go. Someone mentioned switching from Indepedent to Republican to vote in the primaries?

I registered as a Democrat for the first time in my life last month. Why? to say no mas! to the current Repubs!

But I will vote for a Repub if he's got sh** together 2008.

I voted Ron Paul

 

Yeah, the North Carolina woman in the beauty contest video definitely falls under these categories..........LOL. And all the people Jay Leno interviews probably falls under these categories, and my friend, who got his Bachelors degree, but who didn't even know the year 911 happened, must be blind, mentally retarded, or too young......come on.

Oh really, I guess the Iranians are happy with us, the Iraqis are pleased, and people in Ecuador just love what our CIA did for their country..........yeah, right. Please name a list of countries which are thankful for our CIA regime changes. Kenya definitely doesn't fall under the list, we assassinate Patrice Lumumba when he was democratically elected.

And don't include Panama, since we assassinated Omar Torrijos. But I bet you never heard of either Omar Torrijos or Patrice Lumumba, have you? Oh yeah, I can't forget about Arbenz of Guatemala, the Guatemalans were probably real happy after we had him overthrown, and death squads ravaged their country killing innocent women and children...........

You see, when you overthrow governments of democratically elected leaders in foreign countries, and you get civilians killed, it should come as no surprise when your country and its citizens are the targets of terrorists.........because they tend to get pissed off after you walked all over them..........

I bet the Nigerians are also happy about how American oil companies have exploited their natural resources while they live in absolute poverty with no clean running water or any basic necessities humans need.

Yeah, we should all vote for Huckabee, who wants illegals to continue pouring over our borders. That will make us "real" secure.

You mean Bin Laden, who we armed in the 1980s to fight against the soviets, and who worked for the CIA?

 

I know a lot of Americans haven't got a clue where anything is on a map and refer to everything as "overseas" lol but I met a Canadian in South Africa that thought that Wales was a city in England.

I guess its contagious lol.

 

Better ask a lawyer, not being a lawyer I can only name a few

Right to post messages on this forum privately . Without risking government requesting your name & address from your ISP if you post anything pro-peace. Same for your right to send letters or make phone calls without government intercepting them without court warrant
Right to own property in the US if I am designated as a potential peace supporter by the Secretary of Treasury
Habeas corpus
right to carry arms, don't have it in this state, although it was pretty tough even before Patriot act...
Coming next year (February?), right to travel without RFID chip
Not sure if it fits here, legally it's a privilege, not a right... Participating in the economy unless you are social security and medicare participant
2 rights to do something that I can't post here because I don't want government to know that I tend to do it

We still have right to free speach, but it's about to be taken away too, perhaps before Bush leaves office, if he does that is

 

Which state do you live in? Yeah, our freedoms are basically gone, and it isn't a secret, they tell us on tv that the government can tap our cell phones, no fourth amendment, no nothing.....of course, since a lot of American don't know what the fourth amendment is, the government can get away with violating it.

You've got guys in this forum who make excuses for every action the government does. Hell, I bet Bush could get on television tomorrow, announce he was a dictator, and Gtech, lexiseek, lorien, zman, and all the other people who love the government would say: well, Bush must have made a mistake. He didn't mean to say that, he meant to say something else.......

Or I could see how they would react when the dollar completely tanks, and a gallon of milk is $25: Well, it must be the Chinese who did it, or it was those pesky people like Alex Jones who caused a panic by telling people to buy gold.

Here is how they would probably react if the government said to turn in their guns: Well, because Bush said it, and he is the almighty god, I guess I better turn my guns in. Or they would say the liberals forced Bush to do it.

Its one thing not to know where another country is(this is really bad actually), but it is extremely bad when you don't know where your own country is. Before I heard this, I didn't believe Americans were that dumb. I mean, I knew they were idiots, but I didn't believe 1/5 were so dumb that they don't know where the U.S. is on a map. Its incredible, absolutely incredible.

 

It is because the majority of them are so "dumbed down" mate. I agree with you it is utterly shocking.

But a dumbed down people are so much easier to influence, I probably watch more MSM American news channels than I do English and even though ours (BBC/ITN/Channel 4/Sky (a.k.a Rupert Murdoch) News) are very bad some of the Yank news channels are a complete joke.

For example, over the next few weeks all we will hear about is the double murdering scumbag O.J that got away with murder purely because he was black with his latest adventure. Just like the utter slut Hilton was blanket coverage for weeks earlier this year.

More of these people are more concerned about whether O.J can get away with tis one, or if Hilton is O.K and whether her rancid vagina hasn't rotted away than they are about real issues, real events that will have a real effect on their lives.

Sad but true.

 

GTech has gotten so enamored with the current state of affairs he doesn't see the slow crawl of where our country is headed. GTech I used to be like you, saying there was no way America could fall into the trap of a police state, that it was better than all the other formerly democratic countries before it that had the same thing occur.

But if you look around at history, the warning signs are always the same. The slow degradation of civil rights, taken away in fighting an evil force not within the country. "For the greater good", it becomes. It's not to say that Bush Co. have that intention, I really don't know. Even if they mean well, the Constitution is there to set forth rules so we never approach the slippery slope of losing our civil rights. I noticed you guys brought up if we supported the 2nd amendment, and when we all said yes, you didn't even respond. You quickly dropped that point. We believe (Ron Paulers) that is another step to restoring our liberties, and a necessary right to ensure the government is always held in check.

You mean well, just like I'm sure the current administration do, and many of its other supporters. But so do we. We both think we're right. Don't you think those 100,000 troops could protect us better on our shores, not halfway across the globe? Look at Israel: Why don't they send their massive army (for their size) out across the Middle East, protecting freedoms and squashing terrorism. They don't. They keep their soldiers nestled nicely within their borders, because they know when people are trying to kill you, the best place to start a defense is at home.

Israel without question has much bigger threats than we do, and yet, we are so concerned about going out and policing the world, just like we are starting to police our country. The rest of the democratic, Western world also has many threats from Islam, but they are not as immediate because they don't meddle in Middle Eastern affairs, they realize that being in the Middle East brings more threats, and leaves them more vulnerable, than starting a defense at home. Considering the longevity of many of these places, especially Israel, and the words of Ron Paul, other politicians, historians, and many of us, please rationalize why we are the ones who are "not serious about national security"

 

I have to agree and I admire GTech and others for their intellect and opinions...but I've changed.

You have to see the idiot in this video: Typical Anti Ron Pauler/Pro Thompson. The arrogance and ignorance is astounding!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDpFNtAzfNo

 

Where do any of these candidates stand on a tight control of government expenditures?

As Alan Greenspan just wrote, it appears that the Bush administration and the Delay Congress essentially wrote off controlling government expenditures.

That is a fundamental element of traditional republicanism, and conservatism. It seems to have been lost in all discussions. It is the traditional conservative principle that I have been most aligned with over most years.

Where do these guys stand on this issue?

 

Guiliani is the most sane of the Republicans.

 

I don't know if he is sane or not, but he is definitely not a Republican

 

BeSetFree - Are you joking? ... one would hope...

 

Yep, no one wants to discuss the collapse of our housing market, our immense debt, and the continual growth in the size of our government. Guys, it doesn't have to be consistently in one direction aka
"Person 1:Let's add this government function.
Person 2:Crap, gotta raise taxes!
Person 1:Ok, but we'll throw in tax cuts for special interest group ___ though!"

We could actually examine the different departments of our government, and what we are spending all our hard earned money on, and evaluate what has been colossal wastes and cut those programs. This is one of the main tenet's of Paul's philosophy, taking a gander at what we already have.

Between being pro-choice, pro gay rights, pro gun control, and other issues, he doesn't fit the mold of a Republican, you're right.

Newsflash: The Democrats alone aren't the only ones trying to turn the country into a police state. Look how many people signed the Patriot Act, the Real ID act, voted against the cloture vote concerning suspension of Habeas Corpus just this week (that one was mostly Republicans, in fact). This police-state civil rights degradation policy crosses party lines and you have to look at individual politicians to find the good and the bad.

He managed to talk for 5 minutes and not really make a point, wow. Instead of picking some big issues, he basically laughed the whole video and picked capital punishment to make his point about how Ron Paul is going to be a bad candidate.

 

This is the precise problem. Most Americans don't read much about history, or anything else, and our public schools are a joke. When you have an American public where 1/4 didn't read a book last year, that partly explains why we're in the mess we're in. Its because of a lack of education.

In all the debates I've had with Gtech, lorien, lexiseek, zman, and mia, the one thing they all have in common is that they don't know much about American or international history. I'm not talking about the stuff they teach in public schools, but the REAL history, the stuff no one likes to talk about.

Once you begin reading real history, you start to understand the present more clearly, and you also have a good of idea of whats to come in the future.

These guys are in denial. They believe what they believe for the following reasons:

1. They're in denial about the government, and refuse to believe that it could turn against them.

2. They think they are part of the system, that somehow, they will be part of the American global empire.


Here is a wake up call for anyone who thinks the above: You are not part of the elite. Unless your family is involved with the CFR, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Club of Rome, Skull and Bones, or the Bohemian Grove, you are NOT a part of the elite, and it doesn't matter how much money you have...you are a target, and it also doesn't matter what race you are, you are still a target.

Second, being in denial won't save you or your family. Sticking your head in the sand won't mean a thing. The first step towards freedom is to realize the problem, and do everything you can do deal with it.

Well, lorien and the gang talk about it, they just try to downplay the threat. I mean, they will say that yes, the dollar is being devalued, but it is only being devalued against the Euro, and not the Yen, so it doesn't matter. Actually, it doesn't really matter which currency the dollar is being devalued against, because devaluation is devaluation, no matter how you slice it.

Gtech wants to vote for Huckabee, a guy who spends too much and clearly doesn't know how to manage money. Do you really want a guy like this in the white house, when the country is already 9 trillion dollars in debt? A conservative is someone who can "conserve" money, not spend like an idiot and make the country bankrupt.

A lot of people here talk about terrorism, but the thing that scares me more than anything is a financial collapse. Ron Paul is the only candidate who can fix the economic problem. His strong background in economics shows that he is the man for the job.

I've been trying to explain this to Gtech and the gang. It is basic military strategy. If your country is under threat, you don't send your troops off hunting a terrorist organization that can reside in many countries. You concentrate your forces at home, build up your defenses, and increase your intelligence gathering capabilities so you don't suffer another 911.............this should be a no brainer.

But no, Gtech thinks we should have troops thousands of miles away, meanwhile, our border is wide open, and anyone can slip over with a nuke or bioweapon.................