Iranians digging their own grave... and ours.

well well well,

The US didn't tell the world true story about the attack on 11 of September.
I believe that, that attack was designed by the US itself to have a reason to attack Iraq.
Who attacked White house? ( A plain? or a rocket? [ they said a plain attacked White House ] )

All of their statements show that they are deceiving the world .

 

I agree. They have a point, indeed. I suspect we both know who the benefactors of those "points" are, don't we?

Are you muslim today, or Christian?

 

Nioton, your beliefs on 9/11 aside, bringing that into an argument has the equivalent of godwin'ing it, and you ruin any valid point you may have made. Try to stay on topic here.

 

No one attacked the White House. This is probably the very reason you are making statements like this.

Someone might want to get a memo over to the savages. They are still under the impression that the "magnificent 19" were responsible.

 

GTech, I know you must just love your sarcastic comments, but please try and be a bit more civil here.

Let me try and put it in order for you:
1. Your basic analogy is that it's like defending someone threatening your family to use preemption on Iraq.
2. My counterpoint is that the threat has to be real to justify action, so just like you would laugh off a toddler threatening to kill your family (I hope, rather than just shooting him in the head), I'm saying it's laughable to use preemption on Iran since they pose no threat.
3. Your responses since then have been to twist my words, say I would let my family die, and inject sarcasm into every comment possible.

If you were really trying to debate this with me, you would either attempt to prove that Iran is a real threat to kill my counterpoint, or add onto the analogy further to prove another point of yours.

If you can't keep it civil and actually debate my points rather than just spewing jokes and twisting my words, I'm not going to continue this with you, and I'll place you on my ignore list (this forum has ignore, right?)

 

I didn't bother reading the whole thread since I know it will be useless throwing of words between two parties...

Anyways, I don't know why you all are freaked out about this.. It's only NORMAL for a country to DEFEND itself if some other country attacks.. Which world are you guys living in?

 

Of course they are deceiving the world, they are the biggest bullshitters in the history of this planet. Everything they say is bullshit, they haven't made a honest statement in years.

 

well, in fact, that was an example to tell you guys to think deeply on USA and Israel and other countries' politics in the world and list the actions those countries have done in the past and then conclude which country is the worst on in the world.
this is my point in this topic.
Please open your eyes and see which countries' vision is related to peace....

 

I'm feeling a bit jewish today actually, going to Palestine to kill some women and children.. later.

 

It seems to me that you have an inbred desire to distrust the US because obviously facts don't interest you. The pentagon was attacked not the WH.

 

I live in the world where Iran has repeatedly made threats to. How about you?

 

Yet he is the one telling others to "think."

I love irony! I love it with lettuce and tomato, a big dill pickle and french fried potatoes!

 

You live in a world where your watching the wrong News channel.
I have nothing personal against you, I really think your posts are funny sometimes. But you should really think outside the box, and see for real what's going on.

 

If you're going to palestine, then you'll be hiding behind women and children. Now, if you are going there to cross the checkpoints to kill some Jews, then I agree, it would probably be women and children.

 

I bet it can feel like hell when all your surounding neighbors were taught from childhood to hate you because you are "Jewish"

I bet you will deny that too. Something on the lines of zionist killing palestinians or such.... boohoo you attack someone and expect them not to shoot back... boy it seems the same everywhere a certain religion is it is the same whining - boo hoo - johnny hit me back...rrr I mean johnny hit me for no reason mommy. No mommy billy is lying I didn't hit johnny first and I didn't kick him in the head either. It wasn't me, must have been franky.

 

lol.....
[ well that was a mistake ]
and that doesn't make any difference for US's falses....

 

As I have repeatedly said in this thread, you need to justify acting preemptively. You should know well enough, that at least in the USA, that if you shoot someone in the head just for saying they'll kill your family, without posing a real threat, you're going to go to jail. This is because we have decided as a society that there needs to be an imminent threat to justify self defense. I would propose that an individual has less of a burden of proof to show that there was a real threat than a country does, because on the scale of a country, it will be millions of people affected, rather than one family.

 

Sorry, the media is not responsible for ahmadinejads threats of genocide. Nor are the responsible for all the muslim violence in the world. You have an incorrect perception of our media here. Most of them would probably caution on your side. After all, CNN openly admitted they were not being honest in their reporting when muslim savages attacked Israel last year.

Same here. I have nothing personal against anyone here. Every day is a new day. I continue to hope that those who ceaselessly attack my country day in and day out will look outside of their own little box some day. The "banter" is fun for me. I don't take it personally. I don't mind the inevitable "digs" or "insults" that heated exchanges can often produce. I'm too old and my skin is way to thick!

 

Quite a big one i'd say, as both building are different shapes

 

You just made my point.

The US Administration has been supporting scumbags when it is in their own corrupt interests.