Iranians digging their own grave... and ours.

I'm not sure Iranian leaders need any help from the US, the EU, Israel or any other foreign political organization to incriminate themselves about their nuclear ambitions.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070919/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel
"Iranian: Retaliation if Israel attacks"

After reading the entire article, i'm 99% convinced that the Iranian army wants to develop nuclear weapons (its president claims they have no such plans).

I don't live in the Middle East, but i can imagine the economic consequences of a nuclear conflict in the region.

Is a conflict unavoidable? I think so, and that's what the French foreign minister was trying to make people understand. No solution to the crisis. Americans/Europeans/Israelis won't give up, and Iranians are asking for trouble on a daily basis.

 

You sound a little bit simple to me.

Let me ask you a question.

I assume that you are from the USA. Say that Mexico were to attack the USA, would you expect the USA to fight back??

 

And that's the root of the problem. The Iranians failure to get along is just as much a failure of Israel.

 

Iran spokesman said that if Israel is to attack Syria, Iran would send aerial attacks on Israel.

But anyway - there is a solution. War with Iran, ASAP. Put their miserable country down to a bigger shithole then it already is in. Not in ANY case allow them the ability of nuclear weapons.
Next step, would be to shut Syria up before they make such plans as well.

 

Your posts get worse and worse.

It's not a crappy computer game, you need to think things through a little more. Israel has no reason to attack Syria or Iran, and likewise Iran and Syria have no reason to attack Israel.

You treat all this as if it was some dumbass kiddies computer game.

 

Israel has a lot of reasons to attack Syria and Iran, for starts the arming of Hezbollah which gets arms from Iran via Syria airport. Two Iran doesn't believe that Israel has a right to exist which is why the would love to drop a nuclear bomb on them. Three If Iran develops a nuclear bomb looking for Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt to develop nuclear bombs as well, and if that happens look for a nuclear exchange within 30 years in the middle east.

 

That's incorrect. Iran continues to threaten Israel.

Using your simple analogy above:

You are your family are minding their business. Every now and again, some dipshit comes along and threatens to kill your family. Are you going to wait until they kill your family before taking action?

That's the premise of your argument.

Syria and Iran have both threatened Israel in the past. When threats of a mushroom cloud are repeated, you don't wait for the mushroom cloud to take action.

 

Heh, reminds me of the movie War Games.

But on topic, I've got to agree with AGS here. What threat does Iran pose to us? Oh no they want nuclear power, so does everybody else. Never mind the fact that they don't have a reliable delivery method to get a weapon here, even if nuclear weapons were a goal. The arguments the pro-war side is making now are the same ones we had 5 years ago: "they are a major threat", "they have/are close to having WMDs", "they are a terrible government", "ties to terrorism".

Our "ally", Saudia Arabia, is the country home to 15 out of 19 of the 9/11 hijackers. Those arguments that were used for Iraq turned out to be entirely false, as Iraq did not have WMDs.

Look, I'm not saying ending Saddam's regime was a bad thing, he was a terrible dictator. But the fact of the matter is we shouldn't have been the ones to do it, against the urgings of the rest of the world, against the urgings of so many of our people. This is especially since they ended up posing little to no threat, and we've wasted billions of dollars, lost thousands of American lives, killed tens of thousands of innocent civilian lives, and still haven't gotten the fuck out of there yet. Why should we start a second mess like that?

 

Who is Iran threatening?

Is there anyone dumb enough to still believe Irans nuclear weapons program is about nuclear power?

Our country was not attacked by Saudi. They are an ally of convenience, nothing more.

Wmd did exist in Iraq. Some were found, many components were found. Certainly not all. The UN confirmed some were moved to Syria.

The rest of the world knew saddam had wmd too. A number of our allies were bought out with the oil for food and oil vouchers scandal.

There is a difference in being aware of what Iran and Syria are blatantly doing, and jumping up and down hoping for war. There's no question that Iran and Syria want war.

 

Based on their energy consumption they do need Nuclear power, but they always want a nuclear bomb to control the middle east.

 

And my question still remains. There has yet to be a real threat to America established from Iran. Look at the way Iraq crumbled practically overnight, and that we found components. There was no way for them to pose a threat, thousands of miles away, to us. That is why I bring up terrorism, since there has been almost no ties to Al-Qaeda found within Iraq, and it's pretty much the same with Iran. The ties are found within other countries (such as Saudi Arabia).

To start a war to defend yourself is one thing. To start a war to defend yourself preemptively is an entire other matter. To start a war to defend an ally preemptively is another matter in itself, and should not be used, particularly because of the situation we are currently in.

EDIT: Yea, I'm not contesting they probably want nuclear capabilities. But the point is to simplify it to that solely is silly. And to simplify it to "they want nukes so they can bomb America" is also silly. They want nukes so they can be a world power.

 

Apparently, to you it is.
It's nice and all, you sit in your shithole in the UK and speak bullshit about the US, Israel, and everyone else, while in the process claiming that you admire Ahmadenijad.
When shit goes to hell, i'm one of those who won't be living in a safe place, talking crap on DP forums while it is going on. I'll be in a war zone, unlike you. And most probably there will be a war zone in a few months from now.
Israel does not want to attack ANYONE, however, these idiots leave us no choice when they try to acquire nuclear weapons.
So no, AGS, it's not a computer game. I'm laying things out as they are.
I think Iran should get on their knees and beg the world not to destroy their forsaken country. I think Syria is pushing it a little way up their asses, and they should stop all this war bullshit, or there will be war.
It's time for the world to stop and think for a second, with whom they are dealing with. Reality is harsh, but something must be done about it.
A lot of people bash the US for invading Iraq, crying about how dare they invade other countries, how dare they not mind their own business and so on.
I say, it was a good move to invade Iraq and eliminate a very potential threat while it was still not late. So now, Iraq doesn't pose a threat to anyone. However, it takes people a lot of more time to accept that Iran must be dealt with as well. And they will, eventually.
Time is a factor here, that will save a lot of lives and trouble.

 

Devil, I'd like to ask you to respond to my post and explain how Iraq was such a significant threat.

 

Question, what stops them from giving a nuclear bomb to Hezbollah to smuggle into Israel and into the United states? They said that once they develop nuclear weapons they'll give them to the Muslims who want them. What's stopping them from giving it to Bin Laden? Some times you have to stop and think out side of the box they don't have to have a missile that can reach us to be a threat to us.

 

For Israel and the US, Iraq posed a big threat. Back in the gulf war, when i just came to Israel, i had to sit in a room enclosed with duct tape and wear a mask, while missiles fell near our house. That was fun. A great experience for you whole family and kids.
For the US (and Israel alike), Iraq would of been a big threat if they got their hands on nuclear weapons.
Good things that's all over, and i respect the US for doing that.
Israel owes the US quite a lot.

 

That's not a question, that's an opinion. I posed some questions above.

There were many ties between al qaida and saddam/iraq. al qaida was in Iraq before the invasion and "we" are most certainly fighting them in Iraq today.

Here's a question. How many tons of Uranium did the US ship out of Iraq?
Here's another question. What's a key principle ingredient of a "dirty nuke?"
Here's a final question. What type of bomb plot was jose padilla for and what is the key principle ingredient?

You would rather wait for the mushroom cloud? So in another way, if someone threatened to kill your family, you wouldn't take action until they actually killed them?

Do you want a regime that repeated calls for Jewish genocide and proclaims that islam will rule from the mountain tops of the world, to be that world power?

As a proud infidel, I'm not too keen on that. However, I do believe AGS has been practicing his prostrating skills.

 

I don't exactly think Pakistan or North Korea are prime holders of nuclear weapons. North Korea has an even more radical leader, why wouldn't he sell them to a terrorist group? Pakistan is our ally, but what's to stop a fringe group from infiltrating their country and stealing/selling nukes to terrorist groups. But we aren't bombing them and stopping them from having nukes now.

The bottom line is America is going after Iran so that Israel remains the only Middle Eastern nuclear power, and so they can better hold control of the Middle East (oil interests). We won't ever touch North Korea, despite the same threats, because of China. We are basically the bully on the playground starting fights because "someone looked at us the wrong way", except we won't beat up the little shittalkers who have a big brother to help them out. (China/North Korea).

 

We don't have to touch North Korea. We worked out a deal (again) with them.

America isn't going after Iran. Iran is going after Israel and America. Intentionally provoking it. Would be nice if they tone down their genocidal threats.

 

make peace the answer is so simple

 

I admire Ahmadenijad because he is not buying all the bullshit. You're the idiot buying the BS, not me.

Sadly we all have to live with that day in day out.

But Israel is allowed to have them?? And Israel hasn't even decared them but we know they are there because your SUGAR DADDY the USA gave them to (you) Israel.

I think you should drop the crazy gang mentality and stop talking BS all the time. War is not the answer, look at the mess in Iraq caused by terrorists like Bush and Cheney.

I agree, without the billions and billions that the USA gives to Israel every year Israel would be nothing.