Shoemoney gets extorted by corrupt DMOZ editor for $5000

Jim is Keyser Söze!

 

Has an editor been called out yet by Shoemoney?

If not, then I'm going to assume this was a successful publicity stunt.

I just feel sorry for the poor chap that was kicked out due to bookmarking the site.

 

By whom? I really doubt that Shoemoney needs the publicity...

 

Maybe it was publicity only in this case. I don't doubt that a high profile guy like Shoemoney gets plenty of offers and threats every day.

The guy that got kicked out, from what I can tell, was ready to quit and has gained some recognition because of the dramatic departure. I saw his internal comment posted publicly somewhere and it was basically "WTF let's not be so childish....". I think he got banned partly for using the F word which of course you can search DMOZ for and find lots of results.

 

DMOZ maybe? Possibly the editor that got banned for bookmarking the banned site? I don't know... but I can say, that this thread, and other threads like it kind of took the light off of the ongoing AuctionAds fiasco.

Shoemoney certainly does not need the ODP link, and has thus far done nothing but point his finger at the directory. If he really was extorted, why not name & shame the editor...it would make his claims a bit more valid.

*nod* I pointed out several instances of that word, among others, that are publicly displayed within the ODP...

Regardless though, there is something wrong with this whole thing, and I'm unsure at this point if all of the "wrong" falls on the shoulders of DMOZ.

 

Get you head out of the dirt Qryztufre, no one including you really believes that someone would be removed for bookmarking a site. Since you announced your grand plan to destroy the ODP you sink to new a low almost on a daily basis. Lets keep it at least vaguely plausible..

 

Oh yeah, he was ousted for an expletive... and by rights, the entire directory needs to get shut down for having that exact word in the descriptions and category names it has.

And do your research, I said that long before I was even an editor Though I must say, your "civil" nature is sure going a long way to ensure the survival of the project...it's really no wonder you hide behind an alias here.

 

Chucking an editor out because he used the f word in a editor note would also be a stupid reason.

 

Those were the reasons given...

http://www.joostdevalk.nl/the-dmoz-mob-strikes-again/

So if it wasn't for using profanity in editor notes, and it wasn't for bookmarking a site, then it was the corruption of the Meta staff throwing their weight around against the Digital Point Webmaster (which ya can't get much bigger then a "friend of a friend" that happens to be a mod from DP ). If you do not want to use the words of fellow editors, and the web master can offer no other proof, then what pray tell is the cause of this editor getting fired?

And don't turn this around, actually answer a question for a change.

 

Sure for you Qryztufre anything. What you need to do is to read things and see what they actually say and not what you think they should say. There are several posts on the site you mention that clarify it for even the most dense of us. Here they are:

There are several other posts discussing it.

 

The first recourse of any organization engaging in shady or indefensible practices is to enforce a vow of silence.

Anyone who has ever watched a movie about the mafia knows that.

Ask yourself why DMOZ, the "open" directory, feels they need that rule, nebby. And please don't trot out the old and very worn chestnut about "not letting unscrupulous webmasters know what we do". That has always been nothing but a smokescreen.

 

Settle down minstrel, I was trying to answer Qryztufre's specific question.

My view is that editor notes along with much of the information held by the ODP should be made public. If we do not want to list site X for reason Y then what is the problem with making that public? I could name half a dozen reasons why this would be advantageous to all concerned.

Perhaps if you want to debate it Anonymously might be kind enough to take the negative position.

 

Then spare us the "he broke a rule by disclosing an editor's name or comments" platitudes, okay? That has always been bullshit and apparently you agree. Why continue to restate ad nauseum a policy you believe to be stupid?

I'm raising it with you because you offered it as a defense of DMOZ. I have no interest in "debating" it with DMOZ trolls, especially since the issue is pretty clear to anyone who isn't trying to defend the indefensible on behalf of DMOZ.

 

I personally have no problem with giving public reasons for booting editors or reasons for not listing sites. Name and shame I have no problem with.

But at present the policy is the policy and I will live by it but within ODP am happy to use the methods available to me to change the policy. If I don't want to live by it, seeking for change, then I can do the same as Q and get the hell out, but then I would have no say in change there at all. But each time I tell people why something has happened using ODP policy I don't intend to put a footnote saying "But I don't agree with this"

 

Amazing how nobody has problem about disclosing info to the public but rules remain unchanged and editors are getting prosecuted for breaking them - oxymoron DMOZ style?

 

Not really, Ivan. Although some editors may not have a problem with it, they still have to follow the rules. If the rules are changed then the editors who don't care if information is made public will be free to let it be public. As it stands, the rules overrule personal opinion.

 

"They came for my neighbor and I said nothing..."

"They came for Anonymously's neighbor and Anonymously said 'I do not agree'." but didn't say it loud enough for them to hear.

When they came for my neighbor I said something loud and proud and was called a troll, I said something else, and I was told to shut up and edit. I left the neighborhood...

If enough people left the neighborhood and/or spoke up, then change might happen, but not before that. As long as those remain, remain in silence, or speak behind hidden veils, then no change will come ~ as their voices are not being heard.

Speak up!

 

That was your mistake, you should have started armed struggle against oppressor.

If they speak up all that will happen is that they'll get removed and if they leave there will be nobody left to speak up so it is closed circle with meta oligarchy running the show and they don't care about community which has been dead for a long time or project itself all they do care about is their POWER.

So only solution would to do like Pol Pot and declare 'Year Zero' and start from scratch with everyones edit count reset to zero and giving everyone editall rights from starts (and dumping junk categories first).

 

You are exactly right. The question is how to fight this cancer called "senior" editors?
People are not corrupt for sake of being corrupt or because they like it or it is fun. People are corrupt because they get something out of it, either profit and money or satisfaction of having power and feeling important.
The only way to get rid of these people is to remove the motivation that they have for being in DMOZ. Destroy the listings of one page MFA and affiliate sites, destroy the market for selling links, question their authority and force them to submit to the will of community and these "senior" editors will leave.

 

This forum is a soap opera. Every thread has the same theme... come back a week later and it's like you never left. I won't hang around, but I can't stand not calling you on this one. Some of you have a talent for taking aim at your own foot.

Several of you (Ivan, Jake Cop, the Minstrel boy, etc) have one or more pages in ODP, yet you constantly suggest it is dead, it makes no difference, and now in another thread Ivan indicated a Dmoz link LOWERS your page rank! ROFL

NOTICE:
I feel bad about hurting your page ranks, or forcing you to associate with this travesty of a project with all the flaws you've fastidiously noted... so here's your chance. Post a request right here and I'll fix it for you.

[Yes Ivan, I know which ones are which, so don't give me the "I'll get my list of competitors" nonsense.] FTR, Ivan has the only decent site among you anyway, the directory'd be improved by the absence of most of I'd have to nuke.

I may catch a flack internally, but I don't think you really want your sites out... so I'm calling your bluff.

If you DON'T ask me to pull them, you've admitted we have value. In that case you might want to avoid posting in this thread a bit so you can pretend you missed this note. If all the stuff you say is true, the next few posts will be the serious trolls asking me to pull the plug on their listings. Any takers?

So how bout it boys... want them out ? LOL.

Have a nice day. - Rob :-P