So where exactly did you "discredit" my post then? Oh, you mean your "I don't believe what you say so it's wrong" post? Heh, nice argument you gave there. All I see from you mate, are disagreements with what I say without any evidence or real reason. What's wrong with those who cannot naturally conceive being able to adopt? You actually haven't given a concrete reason other than "it's un-natural"... well, so are a lot of things!
How about for starters your crap about how animals have homosexual relations, this does not equate to them having and raising children
So you're saying that it isn't a basic function of human life to procreate and rear your offspring? How did you get here..by egg or stork? All this alternative weird lifestyle crap is what will ruin society, giving children weird notions that it is normal to have two daddy's or two mommy's is wrong!!!
Yes, you're right. Well clever boy, I wasn't addressing that specific issue. I was debating someone else's argument that because it's un-natural it shouldn't happen or be allowed. I love your logic
ahh so you change your 'logic' or 'argument' depending on the situation, you do not keep it the same at all times? Nice way to do things
obviously i would prefer to live a orphan rather then with 2 dads, and well i have not heard much about lesbian marrige, this could be another topic now. point here is why would u live with some one with a different mindset, child adopted is given birth by mother not father remember that. why should the child live with fathers only. its right of child to have mom and dad both, not just dad.
What I'm saying is that a straight man and woman as a couple practising monogamy is not actually natural. Early man practised social-upbringing, whereby all members of the group reared the offspring, and practised polygamy. Just because you say it's wrong certainly does not make it so, so please, leave the subjective opinions out.
They usually keep to an argument, and do not change depending on how the wind blows.. Kind of makes your argument weak to say the least.
I haven't changed my argument, maybe it's too hard for you to comprehend. Do you expect me to ignore someone's questions or statement? While you make tit-for-tat posts, I'll wait until you make something worthy of debating shall I?
When it comes down to it, and child doesn't HAVE to have a mother and a father. It doesn't matter if the parent has a vagina or a penis. Really, it doesn't. There are MANY children that are raised with only one parent. If a child was say.. raised by a male couple, they could get their motherly figure from an outside source. The same way a child from a single father home would get their motherly figure from an outside source (a friend's mom, a teacher, a neighbor). Humans are pretty amazing. If we don't have what we need RIGHT HERE, we can usually get it somewhere else. So if a child needed a fatherly/motherly figure, they could get it somewhere else. Really, a child needs a safe home, love, support, mental stimulation, food, clothes...basic needs. If a gay couple can provide the child with these things, then they should be able to adopt them. Just because they're gay doesn't mean they're any less capable of caring for another being.
Children have always been raised by a man & a women & that's who they should be raised by theres a natural reason for this as that's the only way it's been period. Why anyone should deviate from this is beyond me as a child has the right to be raised by a mother/father figure, when a child is adopted the child is supposed to be going to a better life, if it's just a matter of 'making do' then it is probably better off where it was, as not all children are adopted because of abusive parents.
Maybe it's to hard for YOU to comprehend... On one hand you're all for 'basic functions of human life' but then on the other hand you do not give a shit about it. Pretty black and white, but sure you don't see it as it does not fit your agenda..
This is true what you say about man's "early" primal instincts to spread his seed to all of the women of the tribe or clan. But remember we are trying to stay on argument talking about today's environment. Don't tell me that early man went around the Caucus mountains looking to spread his seed to other "men" because then I give up. Basic human instinct..man/woman not man/man or woman/woman.
Of course early man didn't seek to "spread his seed" with fellow man. When the time arose he 'congregated' with them, if you catch my drift. Anyway, you're talking about the intention of creating a child, whereas in this thread we're not, we're talking about adopting. Grim mate, give it a rest yeah? You clearly have no idea what I'm talking about. When someone states that x is wrong because it's un-natural, then it would mean that everything that us un-natural, by logic and definition, is also wrong. All I do is give facts where I can. I fail to comprehend very little here. Anyway, I've said my piece, given my contribution and my two pennies. I shall depart now. I bid you all a nice day Lee.
stox, I didn't realize you were going to report my posts. I see now how you like to play, from here on out, watch how you talk to me because I will report you the first chance I get. I could go back through your posts and find something to report now, but I'm not that desperate.
Well, Obviously not. Do what you want ly2, But any insult i do dispense will be sophisticated enough to look like nothing more than a dry witticism.
Maybe you're right. I would just come straight out and tell you you're a piece of shit, you would rather beat around the bush like the little bitch you are. So I will just put you on ignore, that way I don't risk getting anymore infractions. Que up more infraction points for this post
Males, I believe do not have a choice of being homosexual or heterosexual, its genes based on what I have read. However, female have that choice. So If the child is male, they would not turn gay because of his parents. But yes, there are bad people who would laugh and discriminate because he has gay parents(As you can see here). However, I don't think just because of that they should be disallowed to have children. Its like saying other races shouldn't have children because there are racists. But, I do live in a country where anal sex is criminal offense etc. How wonderfully liberal!