It's official Google has opened up a can of whoop ass on directories

You're not very good at answering questions, are you? Or, evidently, understanding them.

You've made a statement about me:

That is a lie, plain and simple. At least have the balls to admit it.

And then perhaps you can answer the other question...

 

Well, you have stated that all the traffic to BDs comes from forums, other BDs or search engine rankings related to BD terms, right?
Some of those directories get traffic for more terms. Terms related to what sites are being submitted.
My point is that you can create a quality bidding directory that has value to the enduser.

Whether or not you see them on DP.

 

only option a free directory is submitting to other free directories.

If you have "no income" you cant very well build can ya..

 

What enduser is that? Other bidding directory owners and webmasters looking to list or looking at competitors. Still no evidence that anyone else is using these directories (aka paid link farms) to find anything.

And where's your apology for the lie?

 

What lie?

I've simply rephrased what you stated.

 

Duh. See above. Either you completely misunderstood what I've said (again) or you deliberately misprepresented what I've said (i.e., lied).

Bullshit. I never said that "a bidding directory can only rank for bidding directory terms". Ever. Anywhere. That's not rephrasing. It's misrepresentation.

One of the reasons I've never said it is because it's far too dumb. Any site, with a bit of work, can rank for anything. That has nothing to do with quality or utility of directories, though, nor does it have anything to do with benefits of bidding directories to anyone but the owners - which, by the way, is the topic at hand, in spite of your efforts to smokescreen your way out of the corner.

 

If a bidding directory can rank for other terms with there being ways to turn them into quality directories regardless of their bidding nature, then why label bidding directories as bad in general. Maybe you should say "most bidding directories owned by DP users".

What I'm saying is that a lot can be done, there is nothing wrong with listing people according to how much they pay as long as their sites are of quality to those who might visit the directory looking for something other than a bidding directory.

It's really not different from any directory or resource if you think about it.
The problem is that there are 1,000s of people with limited knowledge lurking on DP to find new ways to make money and they really don't care how Google works and what anybody thinks.

I think that Google could easily find ways to discount the ones that are useless, but it seems they don't want to put in the effort.

A few directories hit recently didn't deserve it. No, I'm not even talking about frogengine, but sites like www.aerospect.com

I think the bidding concept is great, you get what someone is willing to pay for it and the market decides. The problem is the DP directory section in general as even Danny Sullivan specifically pointed out.

You know damn well how this forum has changed in the past 2 years. It doesn't mean that people can't get back on track and become creative again.
The problem is not the concept of the bidding directory, the problem is that the abusers have taken over and you're fighting an uphill battle unless you focus on the positive and try to find new and better ways to use the bidding directory concept to create something endusers and Google won't question when it comes to quality and integrity.

 

No, the problem is the concept of a bidding directory. Top listings goes to the webmaster that pays the most. Not to the best site. Just to the highest bidder. What kind of "directory" is that?

Try to put yourself in Google's shoes, see it from their viewpoint. What would your conclusion be? Or rather what would be the conclusion of any thinking human being?

Spam and scam. Discount the links. Nullify any SEO value.

And that nullifies the whole point of a bidding directory from the viewpoint of a buyer.

No, don't even start to talk about "traffic" from bidding directories or the advertising value. We all know that's total BS.

I can understand you and other bidding directories trying to hold on to the spin as long as possible - you're already losing money and you know you're going to lose more unless you can convince some new suckers to ante up.

But none of that alters the facts.

 

And the fallout affects everyone except anOn. This is what gets up my nose. Its the small guys that take a beating in these sort of markets. Survival of the fittest they call it or should that not read the fattest? Googles message is clear, change or be damned.

Bidding directories are bad for the industry. That much should be obvious.

 

I thought this was worth repeating.

 

I don't see that as a problem as long as all sites listed are of at least some sort of quality.

 

Give me an example of one, it would be nice to see one that has value to the end user. By that phrase I mean someone who is an ordinary member of the public with absolutely no interest in directories (especially bidding ones), that would or does use them for thier commercial viability.

Say for example Joe the Plumber who wants to gain some publicity for his ailing businesss.

You show me and the rest of the world REAL examples of viability and usage and people will stop being cynical.

 

I agree bidding directories can be one of main reason of what we have now.
Once I even built a script and a mod for bidding directory but was full of doubts, so I never released it and never tried to run it.

However MINSTREL,
I'm not so mad about it and never was. I agree that Internet is free and for all, even if it is something I do not like.

So I can't understand your FURY against directories at all.
Your activity on this forum raised 1000 times.
Can you please clear us your intention?
As it doesn't seem to be disinterested.

I'm not afraid of you, not afraid of your opinions, not worrying about directories and future.
I'm an older man, preety experienced. I can code, design, write softwares, etc.
I can run any other business as I already did in my life.

And there is much more like me. And you can be sure they will find their place in internet. They will surely find a good and profitable model of directories or whatever. Because they're creative, because they're good in making business, running promotion, etc.

And then what? You'll start to cry again?
Your frustration makes us only laughing !

 

Please do not include me in your "us". Not sure who "us" is... you and? Not me though.

/*tom*/

 

You may feel not to be included.
But then it means you're not experienced, not good in coding, designing, etc.
Not good in business, not creative and not sure how to promote any business.

So what you're doing here?

 

Everyone, including minstrel, blogmaster, and dargre are entitled to their opinion...

The question I have with regards to your comment is...
Did anyone specifically say you?
Why are you being defensive?

 

I posted not against any opinion.
I even agree with a lot of that what Minstrel said here.
Just can't uderstand his and few others intention as I didn't see them on directories forum so often before and now they're acitve in tremendous way.
This can't be accidentaly.

And telling the truth: I hate people having satisfaction when someone or something failed.
I have no words what I feel to such kind of people.

 

Fully agreed!

I am actually surprised why "Minstrel" is so much against web directories.

I also agree with your last paragraph in full. It is sad but, that is what we are seeing here. Me signing out from this thread.

 

Its the "publicity" that this thread has brought and why many have been adding comments
and hoping for a click or two on thier links or make a possible name for themselves.

thx
malcolm

 

also the fact they like messing with peoples heads and just to argue