azoogle and success

Discussion in 'Affiliate Programs' started by tdd1984, Sep 1, 2007.

  1. abcd

    abcd Peon

    Messages:
    330
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #21

    How many clicks do you give a keyword before you delete it?

    Some keywords I have will get a sale after a single click, some won't give sales after several clicks, but the keyword is targetted and is a good keyword related to the offer, so I'm not sure if I should keep it or delete it.

    I also have to say it's not just a "wholesale strategy", it depends on your ROI. You can have 10K keywords, but if each keyword gets minimal traffic on those keywords, but it's targetted, and they convert, then it all balances out.

    You can have 10K keywords, and have a few keywords that get too much traffic with no conversions, then just deleting a few those keywords will keep you from losing much money. So as mentioned, take your ROI into consideration.
     
    abcd, Sep 13, 2007 IP
  2. SUP3RNOVA

    SUP3RNOVA Peon

    Messages:
    708
    Likes Received:
    25
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #22
    If after a few days I'm losing money on the keyword, I'll delete it. Even if it's targetted - if it doesn't convert, it's gone.


    I'm not saying wholesale is bad. Take a look at my most recent blog post. That whole account basically cashes in on the wholesale strategy.
     
    SUP3RNOVA, Sep 13, 2007 IP
  3. abcd

    abcd Peon

    Messages:
    330
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #23
    Sorry, I wasn't talking to you about the wholesale strategy. I was refering to the person that said to try his 2 keyword approach rather than the wholesale strategy.

    How much do you spend on EVERY keyword before you delete it?
    Do you give each keyword up to the amount of your payout for the offer? or 50%? If I was to apply this approach to every keyword then I would end up spending too much before getting the campaign optimized. Although, is this the only way? You have to spend money on your campaign before you can start making money from it, correct?



    Thanks
     
    abcd, Sep 13, 2007 IP
  4. SUP3RNOVA

    SUP3RNOVA Peon

    Messages:
    708
    Likes Received:
    25
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #24
    I start with all bid prices high and most of the time lose money in the beginning. Then I figure out what keywords are profiting well at the high CPC. Then I drop all my bids, and leave the converting keywords at a higher CPC so they'll get more volume.
     
    SUP3RNOVA, Sep 13, 2007 IP
  5. rideswitch

    rideswitch Peon

    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    9
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #25
    Hey Nova, this goes against one of the key rules from click consultants, doesn't it? On that forum part of the noob forumula was to never bid more than .10 in the beginning. Why the change of heart? It must be working for you based on your success though.


    - Rideswitch
     
    rideswitch, Sep 14, 2007 IP
  6. rideswitch

    rideswitch Peon

    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    9
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #26
    I like this approach. Thanks for the reply drop. I have been too busy for dp recently and just got your message. I will give it a shot even though it goes against the longtail theory.

    What negative keywords do you use on a daily basis or does it vary from product to product.

    -rideswitch
     
    rideswitch, Sep 14, 2007 IP
  7. SUP3RNOVA

    SUP3RNOVA Peon

    Messages:
    708
    Likes Received:
    25
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #27

    a) I was part noob back then myself.

    b) I'm not a part of Click Consultants anymore.


    You can't always squeak by on minimum bids with the goal of doing big volume.
     
    SUP3RNOVA, Sep 14, 2007 IP
  8. BlackHatSystem

    BlackHatSystem Active Member

    Messages:
    619
    Likes Received:
    56
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    70
    #28
    Yes, negative keywords definitely vary from product to product. To find your negative keywords, you have to know your market. The best way to find your negative keywords is to check your statistics. How did your visitors find your site?

    Example: dating site (romance).

    If you use dating site (broad), then people typing "adult dating site" will be able to find you, and obviously, they won't convert. When you check your statistics, you will see that many people get to your site by typing "adult dating site" and obviously, you don't want this since these visitors will waste your money.

    "adult" will become one of your negative words. And so on.
     
    BlackHatSystem, Sep 15, 2007 IP
  9. rideswitch

    rideswitch Peon

    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    9
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #29
    Got ya Blackhat. That makes sense. So the put the non converting keywords into neg keywords along with "free". Thanks for your time.
     
    rideswitch, Sep 16, 2007 IP
  10. ArtfulWebSites

    ArtfulWebSites Peon

    Messages:
    130
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #30
    ***DELETED***

    Whoops, posted in wrong thread, sorry.
     
    ArtfulWebSites, Sep 16, 2007 IP
  11. misszta

    misszta Peon

    Messages:
    38
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #31
    wow nice job congrats
     
    misszta, Sep 19, 2007 IP
  12. GenPepper

    GenPepper Peon

    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #32
    I am new to all of the affiliate marketing. So forgive my dumb question. What does CPA mean?
     
    GenPepper, Sep 20, 2007 IP
  13. SFOD_D223

    SFOD_D223 Peon

    Messages:
    4,512
    Likes Received:
    174
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #33
    "CPA" = compensation per action. Like when a person submits and email address or zip code in short form.
     
    SFOD_D223, Sep 20, 2007 IP
  14. tdd1984

    tdd1984 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,357
    Likes Received:
    42
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    150
    #34
    I think this thread has drawn a lot of attention.
     
    tdd1984, Sep 23, 2007 IP
  15. SFOD_D223

    SFOD_D223 Peon

    Messages:
    4,512
    Likes Received:
    174
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #35
    The reason it has drawn alot of attention is because of a certain person's reversal of the CC formula. I also reverted to the technique of power buying kw's that convert well rather than starting off small and tracking individual kw's against impressions and so on.

    A smaller targeted list is easier to maintain as long as your ads are diverse in wording.
     
    SFOD_D223, Sep 23, 2007 IP