Muslims threaten to cut off Britney Spears and Madonnas head

Really?? Women can drive in USA. Yes such a simple thing as driving is denied to them in the beacon of islamic world: Saudi Arabia. Women can hold positions of power in politics. Women can go to church or not in the USA. So tell me again, how many churches you have in Saudi Arabia? And this is done to protect women rights? Throwing sexual activity in the argument has nothing to do with anything. It is such a feeble attempt to move off course again. But then again, that's one of the most deceiving facts of Islam: portraying the other guy as the villain.

 

So you think that driving a car or being a politician it is just a only way to see woman has liberty or not.Or if they are not allowing to make churches in their country what can we do.It is their rule and regulation. But Islam has not stopped for this.

 

Sure, the only way to measure liberty is by whatever Islam says. And not allowing a single church in Saudi Arabia is no big deal at all. The only big deal is saying that Islam is not a religion of peace and in fact we should not be afraid one bit of the muslims.

 

Islam is the religion of peace and why are you countering on just Islam? Why you are not replying what is going in your heaven? Moreover, whatever your obligations are about Islam and about whatever you want I will give you a video link and then just see it. I can assure the person who is there and telling about Islam will not be a common Muslim. I mean he would be well literate person. In addition, he will never say a single unscientific thing.

 

Why do you have to give me links? Aren't you able to think for yourself? You can call Islam a religion of peace all you want. It doesn't mean it is. If I see an orange tree with oranges I know it is an orange tree. No matter how hard that orange tree will want to CONvince me it is an apple tree I will not buy into it. The fruits prove it is an orange tree. Same reasoning I apply to Islam: no matter what the muslims say I just look at the fruits, I just look at what comes out of Islam. This is MY way of reasoning without any links, without anyone telling me what to think.

 

I believe it was Hamba Wena who said that

 

O.k. give me your IM address and I will give it to my some Muslim friend and he will convince you (If you want to be convince).and he will use authentic resources for convincing you.Now happy?And another thing I can also assure you he will also listen what you have about Islam and you have to What is he trying to say.

 

Thanks for the offer but I have to decline. In all honesty I debated with a lot of muslim guys. Once three of them even brought a muslim scholar with them and we had quite a great debate. Some of them are top guys. The sad part is they debate what they want Islam to be not what it actually is. So please, I don't need to know about your noble intentions and how great you think your religion is. The fact remains: facts are the strongest evidence you can provide. Again, your intentions may be great and sincere (and I met quite a few sincere muslim dudes) but a tree will be known by its fruits. I hope one day you will see this. I believe you are created in the image of God. If that is the case you should also believe you are created unique and with the ability to think for yourself. If what I am saying now is challenging you that's great. If not, then you will always be influenced by others.

 

I think it was better when the terrorists shot John Lennon.

Or when the terrorists shot Diamond Darrel of Pantera.

I'm starting to see your point. It isn't the killing by nutjobs that is the problem, you have an issue with nutjobs getting organized.

 

First of all I thought that this forum was meant to be for online financial solutions or website developers but it seems there’s a religious was going on.
Well here goes nothing first you cannot misjudge all 1.5 billion Muslims even if you do what difference it's going to make, and the fruit from the orange tree is the most illogical thing I ever heard anyway then the Adolf Hitler was definitely was not from Islamic tree and are you ready to categorize yourself with him, and talk about terrorist they what we call them they are not Muslims because they have killed more Muslims then others. A religion is faith no one has right to criticize any religion but if you think that you are far more greater than anyone's faith you might try but you end up with more criticism heading your way, talk about USA so called democratic and peace keeping country but the box has six sides actually based on hard facts the USA can also be categorized as OIL HUNGRY, War promoting, arms selling, anti-Islamic, atheist country itself, everyone knows that it is not in the Muslim world for peace keeping it is their for Oil and natural resources, all it needs Oil from Middle East for free, that's why they pressurize the Muslims in any manner even terrorists on other side and telling that see they are yours and we have fight them, the natural resources are being taken away from Muslims and yet you people listen to the crap of fighting any terrorism, Taliban were heroes when they were fighting Soviet even when they were killing innocent people in Afghanistan but since there's no soviet union they are no longer needed. USA says that it promotes democracy but look at it's allies in Muslim world all of them are ruling their countries for over thirty years now, but if someone doesn't say yes to USA they turned into Evil and that country must be liberated only to change the government which would o their work.

 

That is a very balanced view you presented. This thread thoug is in the religion and politics section. And if you won't know a tree by its fruit, how do you determine what kind of a tree it is? By getting people together and voting on it? I still reckon it's best to judge a tree by its fruit. But then again, that's just me: a simple folk reasoning.

 

Why are you just seeing its fruit?Why you are not trying to see Why it is the fastest of growing religion of the world?And I should say that actually you just don't want to agree with facts.And you are on "I am not agreed" policy.But dear you have to be not like that If you really sincere to know about Islam or wanting to know which is the true religion.But dear Islam is one and only true religion at this time.We know that Bible and other books have many scientific errors and also these books have many contradiction in them.Even in a same chapters we can see many contradictions.For more detail just see this:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Dr+Zakir+naik+vs++Dr.+William
do watch it if you are really sincere.

 

Al-Qaeda ha killed more Muslims then others they are no Muslims but mercenaries trying to defame the religion and provide reason of war to US and it’s allies, a bunch of so called Muslims cannot represent all of the Islamic world, look at Afghanistan it is the most miserable country where poverty, wars and illiteracy is at peak if some people their think that Taliban or al-Qaeda is some kind of hero all I can say that it is their bad luck or simply lack of knowledge, there are bad people in every religion doesn’t mean that the religion is wrong, there's a difference between knowing the path or walking the path.

 

You are absolutely right.Now if anyone don't want to understand what you are trying to say then what can we do?

 

I have nothing against any religion and respect everyone’s faith and in return I expect the same for us, there are people on this planet who worships Monkeys or Rats (like in Hinduism), you can call it their mental capacity or simply a blind faith, but if you go straight and tell them that they are stupid all you receive is hatred in return, and hatred is the cause of quarrels and clashes, live and let live, that’s what Islam says, Hazrat Ali was the one of the greatest and powerful Muslim rulers in the beginning and yet he did many pact and treaties with Jews and Christians to avoid any disruption to peace of the common man.

 

So if you see a tree that has oranges, what kind of tree do you think that tree is? Come one, a simple question. Or do you go and ask someone else, someone who is smarter than you: "Can you please help me? I have seen a tree with oranges in it. Do you want to see this tree with oranges and tell me what tree do you think it is?" Or should you try and work it out for yourself?

 

Well I am from Islamic Republic Pakistan and women not just drives here but also rules as Benazir Bhutto was our Prime Minster once and here women can Join armed forces as well, we have women as Engineers, Doctors, Politicians and Nuclear Scientists, and there are other countries where Muslim Women rules like Bangladesh

 

Mr. Proteindude can you also reply my simple question. Why crime rate in USA (your heaven) is more than Saudi Arabia?

 

A man is not fruit or a tree he is much more comlicated than that but I think you should talk to a farmer about this, all of you listen the proteindude is not talking about any religion here but farming, sorry man farming is not not my field

 

Because there are more people than is Saudi Arabia. USA is a much, much more prosperous country than any country on the face of this earth and the biggest crime ever committed on the American territory was because USA let the wrong people in.

And gnash, I don't know about farming either but I do know enough to recognise what tree it is if I know the fruits.