Gay Marriage: Should It Be Allowed?

Do tell us, how do you contribute to society ?
Clearly you put yourself way higher above certain 'types' of people, and you clearly think you should have more rights than others.
So then, why is that ?

 

Selltrib, I am not Jewish so I follow the New Testament or the New Covenant. New means new (not old). It is the New Testament that says I MUST be Born Again (along with all other sinners). It is also the NEW TESTAMENT that makes it clear (crystal clear) that no homosexual, neither fornicator and liars will enter the kingdom of Heaven. 1 Cor 6 9-10 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
So YES, I do believe (fully) all these things above. I made a decision a long time ago which is to not deceive myself. Some things are very clear, and are not dependant on public opinion.

 

Also fornicators... Pre-marital sex is mentioned also... But those who cite religion rarely mention that because they don't want to look like a bunch of hypocrites...

 

Actually yes I see how ignorant it is, for one not everyone gets a pension . Secondly I don't know anything about gay organizations, but I did go down to check out the lesbian fest that they had down the street last week , it was pretty disappointing

and for two this part

they leave behind another mouth to feed, another person to create garbage and consume resources, We don't need more people. We need less.

 

Says who? Are you one of those self haters? Family folks value human life. It's the family folks that are again involved with helping others: hospitals, orphanages, and the likes.

 

I'm a Muzzi, and in my religion you can't be gay like many others. But at the same time you can't be ignorant or hurt anyone else.. I think If people want to be gay let them, the biggest problem in the world today is people are ignorant, they don't really recognize how another person might feel, and they only seem to care about themselves. I think its time we change that, all of you in this thread are probably mature enough to respect each other, there is no need for hating other people. If in your religion it says its a sin then guess what they will face the consequences, why do you want to do Gods work?

Also it's pretty amazing, when it comes to homosexuals people seem to get worried, yet when it says in your bible you can't drink alcohol you break the rule , I know for a fact that, Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, I bet literally all religions consider it a sin. I'm in Canada, I see everyone breaking the rules, but they only judge others. A lot of Christians I know, think they are allowed to drink, but I looked it up Quote "However, whether Jesus and the apostles drank alcoholic wine or not, the Bible is very clear that drunkenness is a sin"

My point is we are breaking the rules of our Religious Book(Bible, Quran) nearly everyday, well most of us, and people just don't realize it, and in the end you Judge another person for being gay, even myself I don't practice my religion like I should.

Just my thoughts! Oh and just for the record I'm %100 straight..

 

ALi: the difference between gays and drunkards is a simple one. Those who get drunk admit they are doing wrong while at the same time they admit they have a problem. We tax alcohol at a much higher rate because of the damage it does to society in general.

The gays on the other hand they want us to treat them normal as if what they are doing is ok. It's not ok and we should not grant them priviliges. Yes, I am with you, they (like me) have a free choice and they can choose the path they want to follow. However it does not mean that as a society we should condone this gay lifestyle that does not offer ANY advantages. No matter how much gay people try to appease their conscience by asking for same rights as heterosexuals they know what they do is wrong. No amount of rights or privileges will appease their conscience. When something bothers you, you know something isn't right. Especially when you spend your whole life trying to get others to "accept" you. If being gay was OK, you wouldn't fight so hard to show "We are no different."

 

Well I agree with you somewhat, I don't approve of there lifestyle, I just feel that the amount of hate people show is ridiculous. It is a sin, but instead of chucking a rock or cussing at a homosexual perhaps you could hand them a page that says why its wrong and if that doesn't work leave them alone. Anyway heres how it is in my religion, words obviously changed so we understand it.. and I do agree with it...

" Many homosexuals claim they were born that way, they can't help being homosexual. The truth is that man has an urge for sexual gratification. As rationalizing (more than rational) beings, people will always try to find a justification for any activity which they find enjoyable. As to the claim by some homosexuals that it is genetic, this has been decisively disproven. Studies have shown that children of homosexuals are no more likely to be homosexual than any other children. If it were hereditary, many more of them would be homosexual. In our society, homosexuality frequently seems to result from a failed male role model, a father who is abusive or grossly negligent. Bestiality and pederasty are certainly natural as well. Every society has men who use children sexually. Everywhere sheep or goats are kept, they are used for sex. So the argument that homosexuality is natural or inborn has little persuasive power for Muslims. "

I think that statement is true, and I'm not hating on homosexuals, I think its true because in prisons straight people have intercourse with the same sex, and we all know why.. and they are not gay..

 

Not true. Normal cristian non-alcoholist people who drinks alcohol drink because they enjoy it in one way or another. They dont have an alcohol problem because of that. But this is a very typical christian double standard.

 

I thought the difference was obvious: drunkards versus those who drink alcohol. The difference is obvious. You trying to twist things doesn't work.

And Ali, the "non moral" proof homosexuality is not great is simple: your anus was not designed to you can stick things inside of it. It damages your body. Plus, I don't want to get into the disgusting details but when guys do it with each other they also impregnate each other with faeces. These faeces contain toxins. I'll just stop here, but the point is homosexual sex is not clean sex. That is why you never hear homosexual people claim their sexual activity is a clean one.

By the way, God invented safe sex. He called it marriage.

 

So you think everybody that drinks alcohol is a drunkard???

Why talk about drunkards? I talk about christian people who drink one or two glasses of beer or wine in good company or for dinner. If those same people does not accept gay people they have double standards.

 

This is such twisted logic you are trying to use. And the examples you are trying to tie in together are so far apart. Consuming alcohol and getting drunk are two different things. One is ok, the other is not. Being gay (obsessed with anal sex) and having occasional anal sex are both wrong.

 

Ok, so the bible says that it is ok to drink alcohol?

 

Absolutely and at the same time says not to get drunk. And it also says homosexuality is an abomination. It also says you can have forgiveness. It also offers a solution for those "born gay". It's called being Born Again. But hey, you can read this for yourself. Plenty of Born Again ex homosexuals around. God would not give a commandment that is impossible to keep and then threaten you with eternal punishment for something you had no power over.

So the only reasoning left is you choose to remain the way you are because you love sin more than you love holiness.

 

Ok, but where does the bible say its ok to drink alcohol? I just want to read it.

Thats just not true because sin does not exist.

 

In the book of 1 Timothy 3;8: Likewise [must] the deacons [be] grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Again in the book of 1 Timothy 5;23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities

Sin according to the Bible is transgression of God's Law. You know the Law that says to not lie, steal, to not commit adultery. So sin exists and there are consequences. Saying sin doesn't exist makes as much sense as standing in the middle of a freeway and saying trucks don't exist. You are just deceiving yourself.

 

How about if they only have oral sex, would you like that?

 

Nope, sorry, I am not deceiving myself.

 

You call this reasoning? You can do what you want, but don't expect us decent people to give you more rights or to endorse your selfish acts.

 

you are right dude