It was actually the egg, since the creature that laid the egg was likely something very similar and created a mutation per se, and voila, you have what we now refer to as a chicken.
I as talking to a man at his house yesterday morning and he said to me "You know religion is a big lie don't you? It's all lies. They lie!" I said "I agree with you 100% sir!" You should have seen the look on his face. That's not what he was expecting at all. Thousands of religions are put on high by their pious attitude to man and woman and child. No matter how large hypocrisy plays a part in their works. It is refreshing to see a group of people reflecting God's love and extending that love to others who want it too. Col
You must feel proud of yourself. So proud in fact that you're probably convinced that the reaction you witnessed from this one individual is justification for a life time of complete crap you've been fed and seen. To paraphrase what was just said, "It's great to see that my illogical and unfounded beliefs being spread like a virus to those who are too weak to know any better."
Oh no. Not another one making statements about other people without any foundation whatsoever. Get in line matey. There's quite a few more doing this too. So, from one post you gathered all information about me have you? You know what I have seen, heard and learned in my 43 years on this planet? It's amazing how quick some can judge others. Oh...and what was your objective again?? I missed that part. unfounded beliefs?? There you go again. Join the queue. It's getting longer every day Col
Either you're right and the world is full of illogical idiots, or maybe you chose to ignore the possibility of your own closed mindedness. But then again, how can anyone convince you of this? It's like trying to convince a retard that they're a retard, or a cat that it's a cat. If they don't know any better, then can't possibly realize what state they're in currently. Essentially the inability to see things in perspective by ignoring all other possible outcomes, and sticking with the one that seems to make you the happiest rather than the most logical one. I don't need your entire life story or an understanding of what your favorite color is. From what I take in the past pages of your postings, you are clearly a very stubborn and closed minded individual bent on justifying religion and god based on a singular trivial event in your life and provide non-conclusive evidence to support it. All that needs to be known about you regarding the topic on hand has essentially been made present in this entire thread, and every post you make only proves me better insight into your psychology. Please feel free to correct me, I didn't take the liberty of reading through all 24 pages, only about half. Yes unfounded beliefs, I don't know how much clearer I can be. Please do enlighten me on what pedestal your belief of religion and god sits upon. I would love to know, since I've already covered the essential nonexistence of Jesus, I've defined what God is, and I've covered why Christianity is simply a rip off from previous religions. So if you'd like to prove me wrong, I would love to hear your argument.
If you want to believe a ripple from another dimension created all the order and design we see in the universe that's your choice. Of course there is still the question of what created the other dimension, unless you are saying that other dimension is the Uncaused Cause. I've watched shows on string theory and while interesting it is not surprising. From what I've observed the universe is both near infinitely large and infinitesimally small, with humans hung right in the middle. Open your eyes, just searching for "veracity of the bible"... http://www.gospeljohn.com/veracity.htm http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=583 http://www.christiancadre.org/Answers.html "I'd suggest you refrain from commenting until you've read all the documentation above." That's exactly what I'm saying about EVOLUTION. If there is anything you must read, it's the quotes from evolutionary scientists on this page... I found it by searching for "faith of evolutionists". http://www.nwcreation.net/evolutionism.html And my faith in God is not blind at all. I have proved it through experience, evidence, study, through answered prayers that could have no other explanation, through the way Jesus has changed my life, and I could go on and on... Okay, I watched the clip. You really believe that? I found it illogical, full of errors, and self-referencing. Most people refer to Einstein as a genius and not just famous. I am quoting a genius that says no one can believe Jesus was just a myth. Einstein was not religious in that he did not believe in a personal God, but I'd have a hard time saying he was an atheist either. I've read before some think he believed in something like Spinoza's explanation of God. Here is a good link with quotes from Einstein about this: http://www.arcocarib.com/main/article/albert-e-mc2-einsteins-god/ The Bible gives no specific prohibition against masturbation, but I believe that specific act is included in it's general warning against lust. Why is lust bad? Lust harms marriages, which harms families and children, which harms extended family and friends and other relationships. The Bible warns against lust because it ruins lives, and Jesus wants us to have better lives, both here and in eternity. The same can be said for rape, incest, murder, and a host of other moral sins that are moral issues only for humans. Animals can't sin, they are not morally responsible to God. And while some Christians believe in eternal punishment in hell, most others do not. Immortality is a reward for the righteous. It would make no sense for a loving God to make a mortal into an immortal just so they could be punished forever. In fact that is very reason God kicked Adam and Eve out of Eden, so they wouldn't eat of the tree of life and live forever in their fallen state.
Well aren't you a clever one then? What enlightening and positive hopes do you have for mankind then? I don't need to prove you wrong. You are doing that all by yourself by your own words. Hang on....they are your own words, right? You been listening to others like most others do? Or, have you personally studied, analysed, researched and experienced things of this nature by yourself? You simply know nothing about me and yet you judge me outright. Applause goes to you. You are tooooooo clever for me. You too, enjoy your glory Col
That's a very complicated issue that would be too long for me to touch on in this thread, my views on humanity are irrelevant. I compliment you on this attempt to stab into my credibility. I'm proving myself wrong? Would love to see some evidence that supports this. If it need be known, I have spent many years doing a lot of research into this subject and many others, and all my findings have been supportive of my initial thesis on the subjects. Just as a scientist creates a thesis then conduct experiments to find evidence to support his thesis, or sometimes tends to find that his evidence points towards another truth and adjusts his views accordingly, that's the heart of science and the heart of my mentality. I hope that says something about me. Do I detect a sense of fear in your words? Oh silly me, by saying this, I'm automatically judging you, so any statement I make is automatically void... hmmm... I'm curious whether if I could apply the same argument on you? Please understand that I don't seek glory or and ego boost through all this, I am simply trying to discover the truth by discovering a better understanding of life, humans and the universe I live in.
I don't claim to know the answer to every question in the universe, and I don't have an answer for where every single dimension that came into existence, science has yet to discover the answer, or maybe we're just not understanding the subject correctly as our current form of written communication is a very primitive means of communicating ideas and thoughts, so it's hard to sometimes describe inheritably complex ideas with such simple words. That said, it's funny because religion claims the complete opposite, that everything around us is explained by the existence of "God". That everything around us is far too complex for us to understand and thus MUST be created by a higher designer. This is the foundation of religious belief, in other words Intelligent Design, aka Creationism. Sadly, all the arguments that have been made by this ludicrous theory have been all debunked and proven wrong, I can provide material for this if you're interested. So what does that say for you and your beliefs? To me it just provides confirmation that religion has an agenda and has no logical foundation, just slanted data. Thanks for the links, I'll have a look at them and get back to you in a few days with my thoughts. The argument seems to fit logically in with the idea of Christianity, although if you find it illogical, erroneous and self-referencing, then please make an argument for it, as I am more than willing to hear you out, stating to someone that they're wrong without proving any reason to back it up doesn't really help your argument or the person in understanding why they're wrong. I am willing to accept defeat if I am provided with sufficient evidence that says so. Otherwise if you don't point out someones mistake, they are doomed to repeat it. Couldn't this simply be considered common sense? Your argument claims that me, being non-religious is incapable of understanding consequences of my actions and would be doomed to sin simple because I don't follow the teachings of your Jesus. Why does Jesus care so much about what we do? Why can't he just mind his own business...
Good answer. It takes time to analyse so many factors involved. Fair enough you have your views on science determined on your education, thesis etc.. but when you aim an attack on me and what I know and how your views are based on reading a few of my posts...that's where I get a little annoyed. I am not stabbing your credibility for your knowledge of science, just your credibility for your knowledge of me. No fear in my words. Yes, you were judging me without knowing me. It kinda goes hand in hand. Statements can be made by anyone. Whether or not people can back those statements up is another thing entirely. I commend you for seeking these things. I too, continually do the same. Aren't we all looking for the truth? The big question is, what will we do when we find it? Regards, Col
My intention was not to attack you as an individual per se, but rather an attack on your stated beliefs, which has been made clear through this entire thread. So to go and say "you know nothing about me" is a bit shortsighted in my view, as again every single post you make can tell me something about you. When we find it, we look for the next truth. Although as for all of us seeking truth, that unfortunately isn't the case for everyone. Many people seem to confuse the idea of truth with a false reality, by this I mean people would rather believe in an idea that provides them with meaning and an answer to everything rather than a reality which essentially provides no real conclusion or satisfying meaning to life, which is what life actually entails. People would rather be happy and wrong, than right and miserable. After all, ignorance is bliss.
Good to see we can converse peaceably. I wish others could learn this respectable attitude from you. Col
~ http://www.christiancadre.org/Answers.html Frankly this hardly constitutes as evidence, just commentaries against skeptics which provides no real insight into the existence of god, or even the non-existence of god, just saying "hah! you're so wrong!" doesn't cut it... here's some examples of this in action: There are two parts to this commentary, one is the assumption that there is no explanation for the creation of the universe stated as "If the universe can't be explained...". Then the second part jumps right into an explanation of what God is and essentially attempts to justify it by using terms just as "most plausible" when in fact this explanation is no better than any other that exists, for all anyone cares, the Spaghetti monster is just as valid an argument as this. Automatically jumping at conclusions using bias towards the individual without any supporting evidence by concluding that since people reject faith, they're stupid. Notice all the capitalized words, and adjectives he uses to describe the author, frankly using ad hominem attacks just doesn't cut it for me. There are more examples of this if you scroll down the page, but essentially his commentaries are useless and un-insightful. --- ~ http://www.gospeljohn.com/veracity.htm This seems more like an attempt to sell me something than anything, take this paragraph for example: The implication being made here is that all other religions and beliefs are utterly wrong and Christianity is absolutely right. I find this laughable since the Koran as much as the bible has facts and evidence that justify it, and the origins the Koran are not that far off from the Bible either, so comments like these are simply misleading. And I pretty much stopped reading shortly after since the rest just made me laugh out loud. Ask yourself, where have you ever seen an atheist website which contains real evidence go and claim things such as "100% Historically Accurate", "100% Scientifically Accurate", "100% Continuously Accurate", etc. I think their sheer confidence in this is enough to draw me away from this. And the 'evidence' they use to backup the statements above are just blatant lies, you do any research on most of their claims, you'll find them to be false. For example: This is hilarious to even conceive since the whole idea of Christianity was derived from Egyptian religion, hell, using the word 'derive' is a compliment, more like a complete rip off. If you compare ancient Egyptian religion and Christianity, there essentially is no difference. This entire website has more satire than it has anything else, I pity anyone who would take this seriously. ----- ~ http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=583 This is probably the only link even worth reading since it provides logical evidence to support the theory of Jesus, however the problem is that all the evidence is based on the bible, and workings of his disciples. Most of the information in these scriptures can be interpreted differently and often times translated incorrectly, so finding evidence for the existence of Jesus may not be difficult, but confirming if the scriptures themselves are actually valid would mean it not only questions the idea of Jesus, but also the very foundation of God and Christianity altogether. But again, using such circumstantial evidence for the belief in "God", whatever God even may be can be considered trivial, since it does not even attempt to prove the existence of God, only of a person named Jesus 2000 years ago. Certainly some of the evidence on this page is compelling, but doesn't provide sufficient evidence or explanation for much of what is the main argument. Attempting to justify the existence of Jesus does not prove the existence of God, because you not only have to then define what god is, but also prove the existence of such an idea. ---- The major problem I have with god is not entirely with the argument for god, but the lack of any logical evidence and no definition of what God is in the first place which is quite funny since I often times laugh at atheists as well because they too are just as full of shit as the religious people they are arguing with. I have more problems with people than I do with the idea of God. For example, what is God? Define god. Most likely you'll say "supernatural" or otherwise "metaphysical". Great answer, one problem. By this very definition it states that God does NOT exist. The very definition of 'existence' requires it "to be" which means to be in existence, to be part of this realm, to occupy space and time. As you can see, just as easy as this, we can disprove the idea of god. However this obviously isn't a very strong argument but still a valid one, just as is saying "If god created the universe, then he created logic and therefore using logic to disprove god is self-refuting". Same argument, same bullshit. Essentially my entire problem with God and everyone who believes in God is that they often times do not know what God is and manifest their own view of god. The other problem is that you can't claim the existence of god in their physical or metaphysical form since our language is too primative to even describe such things and would be self-refuting in the end. Example: God is all powerful? Can he make a bolder so heavy that even he cannot lift? There's a perfect example of something that can be used to deny the very description that god often is given. That said, these claims of the existence of god continue to be made and in turn continue to provide me with more unanswered questions.
Here's a diagram: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21786029@N00/460811985/ Here's the explanation: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/5019682.stm
The chicken/egg question is only a puzzle for people who believe god clicked his fingers and made everything as it is. A chicken is a bird, Birds evolved from reptiles, reptiles lay eggs. So the first thing that could be called a "chicken" would have been born from an egg.
relegion is just forceful i must say, if there was no relegion existing in this world, who would have been fighting for it and following anything. its people who made it and the followers following it. at the end of the day its all about what you do , u shall get back. no matter u follow anything.
Wow, I found it.. the mutual masturbation thread for atheist! I'm sorry I missed it, let this thread continue to die. ka ka ccooolll