September 11, 2001 attacks were planned by the United States government

Bush "shit" on the graves of the people that died on 9/11 when he told the American public four years ago when he said that he doesn't care where bin Laden is. What a reprehensible thing to say to those that lost loved ones on 9/11. The man that the American government says is responsible for planning out 9/11 isn't of notice to the President to bring to justice? What an idiotic thing for Bush to say. How can people support a President that does that kind of injustice to his own people? Yet apparently they exist.

 

Well said Telsa!!!

What about the videos NOW finally appearing online taken near the towers, when loud explosions were heard from below and up the sides seconds before collapse?

Back in 01, broadband was hardly used and not much video was online. So the US government could easily control the media.

Now we have widespread broadband and video sites like YouTube. Now all the 100's of videos taken around the Towers on 911 are being shown. And now we're seeing stuff (extra explosions etc) that wasnt shown before.

Food for thought!

 

Please tell me the melting point for steel. My research shows that steel won't melt at less than 1130 degrees C. Jet fuel reaches a maximum of 980 °C. Here is what Wiki says:

The bare minimum temperature that any alloy of Steel begins to melt is 1130°C. Steel never turns into a liquid below this temperature. Pure Iron ('Steel' with 0% Carbon) starts to melt at 1492°C (2720°F), and is completely liquid upon reaching 1539°C (2802°F). Steel with 2.1% Carbon by weight begins melting at 1130°C (2066°F), and is completely molten upon reaching 1315°C (2400°F) 'Steel' with more than 2.1% Carbon is no longer Steel, but is known as Cast iron.

The jet fuel is not hot enough. Also, the steel used in skyscrapers always have "fireproofing. Again, Wiki supports me on this:

Thus, steel and concrete compete against one another not only on the basis of the price per unit of mass but also on the basis of the pricing for the fireproofing that must be added in order to satisfy the passive fire protection requirements that are mandated through building codes. Common fireproofing methods for structural steel include intumescent, endothermic and plaster coatings.


Flash point: 38 °C
Autoignition temperature: 210 °C
Freezing point: -47 °C (-40 °C for JET A)
Open air burning temperatures: 260-315 °C (500-599 °F)
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C (1796 °F)
Density at 15 °C (60 °F): 0.775-0.840 kg/L

I never said Muslims don't blow stuff up. But our government has trillions of dollars, more than Bin Laden and the gang. Between our government and Muslims, I put my money on the government having the sophistication to pull off 911. The links I've posted of all the other conspiracies show that the government is willing to do it, and they have the technical knowledge and financial resources to pull it off.

 

A shame I am off to sleep but I will take this up again with you later today but I would just like to add that that quote of yours is the biggest load of BS I have read for a long time.
A 47 story building with a few support pillars keeping it standing.
A loss of any of them causing it to collapse.

You're more crazy than I initially gave you credit for.

 

Context. Remember? We've discussed this in the past

Will capturing or killing OBL end the threat to the US? Yes or no?

 

You ignored me previously on this? Steel loses 50% of integrity at about 1500 degrees. Do you believe the towers were designed to withstand that loss of integrity?

You still refuse to look at the design of the building, dont you AGS? Scared like a little girl?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7BSt9jhxPQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8B-8Au-Wk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rQ8_Qy0zp8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3JmXQ-z8S4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_XyTeNA1g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9BofDUXv0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JithuVAIb7Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHJHAp49Lh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZVHsrncd3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puWqNJI8Mjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5JVYTxjmdc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4eHvD-BrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXk0LFVAgHE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oYjsVdm7dE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFqYf-ID5oY

Watch all of them. The facts don't lie. The Bush administration is pretty f**ked up.

 

Yes watch. Don't think for yourself. Just let someone else do it for you. Thanks for injecting that

 

That's not quite honest though, unless you take it out of complete context.

But then again, we see who you take exception with and who you don't. Not a peep about those disgracing 9/11 victims here with their alex jones kookery. Not one peep. Hypocrisy and chant, rears it's ugly head once again.

One standard here, not a peep here.

 

You know lorien, you keep making fun of me talking about aliens, but I have never mentioned anything like this in this thread. Why don't you debunk all the links I posted to Wikipedia showing all the proven conspiracies our government has been involved in. You totally overlook this.

These historical events show that the U.S. government and CIA will sacrifice American lives if its necessary.

 

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/wtc7.html

I also love the way that you and your mentor GTech are bringing the old BS "insults the memory of all the people that died" just because people choose to question the official fairytale that your lover Bush told you.

You should both be ashamed of yourself for being so gullible.

 

Yes, I know. You've completely abandoned the 9/11 topic and going on to other issues. The moving target is a common tactic. I don't play that game.

You haven't even chosen to rebut anything I've said. You just move onto the next line of questioning. This is another typical tactic.

I summed that up for you here:

Since AGS is showing renewed interest; I invite him to respond to the issues I brought up with him months ago.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2013609&postcount=79

Care to continue that AGS? No? Yes?

AGS if you care to respond to the above logical problem, I'd be interested in your thoughts too. For now, I'm done with my sadistic sunday evening, so nighty night

 

I've established that steel doesn't melt at less than 1130 degress C, and Jet Fuel only reaches a maximum of 980 C. I've also established that building codes are mandated to have fireproofing, which means that the WTC building would have had fireproofing, and even if they didn't the jet fuel would not have been hot enough to melt the steel.

Now, this brings me to the next big question. If jet fuel is not hot enough to melt steel, what is. The answer? Thermite:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

 

Is this the same media that relentlessly attacks Bush, misrepresents the economy, never reports anything good in Iraq, has a unadulterated hatred of Bush and the Administration and spares no efforts in exhibiting such on a daily basis? The same media that exposed a secret legal spy program that had congressional oversight, then six months later admitted it was a bad thing on their part to expose, even though Bush met with them and pleaded them not to?

That's the "controlled" media? Think about that one.

 

That site is a piece of shit AGS. I've pointed out numerous fallacies there in the past.

Here is the structure of the building, AGS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png

As you can see, it doesn't have quite the integrity the site would lead you to believe. But your copy paste skills are duly noted.

 

Doesnt need to melt to lose structural integrity. Impact of planes blew off the fireproofing on the upper floors too. Keep ignoring this dont you Tesla?

 

Umm, lorien, perhaps you don't understand the nature of a debate. When you debate someone, you look at past historical examples to prove your point of view. By mentioning all the other conspiracies the government was involved in, I was just laying down the foundation which supports the fact that our government is capable of carrying out conspiracies.

Based on this foundation, I can then proceed to look at the present situation, which I'm doing by talking about the melting temperature of steel. To everyone reading this thread, I have established with facts that our government does have the sophistication and ruthlessness to carry out attacks against its own people.

After all, when you know the government carried out Project Shad, MKULTRA, and all the others, it doesn't become hard to believe that they would carry out 911.

 

When talking about the current events - fire melting steel, planes hitting buildings - we don't talk about cyphilis in black people. Common sense, right?

 

Have you contacted the San Francisco Transit Authority to let them know of your findings?

Since a fuel fire from an overturned tanker seemed to have melted the support beams on a bridge their earlier this year, I'm sure they would be interested in knowing that what happened just wasn't possible. Might be something Rosie O'Dufus is interested in too.

 

Now, perhaps some of you have heard of professor Steven Jones, a physicist that formerly taught at BYU:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Jones

Professor Jones also believes that the WTC towers fell as a result of thermite, not jet fuel or the impact of the planes. He has established credentials, and he is much more knowledgeable than myself on these subjects.