September 11, 2001 attacks were planned by the United States government

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  1. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #21
    Yep, shitting on the innocent victims of 9/11 right the anniversary of the attacks. Gotta wonder if these people have any shame at all?
     
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    #22
    Steel loses about 50% of its integrity at about 1500 degrees (jet fuel). Do you believe thw towers were designed to stand after losing half of its integrity?

    Plus, I believe something besides fire damaged those buildings. Care to refresh my memory here?

    Look at the picture in the link. It was hit by debris. This is not in any dispute at all, Tesla. Criminies. You may not want to believe it. But it was hit. And its special design made it more susceptible to collapse. Propane generators spread out through its design didn't help out much either.

    quote refers to the bankers trust building. not wtc7.
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #23
    You believe the government caused 9/11. They hijaacked planes in each instance. Why would they break theme and do wtc7 with demolitions?

    Waiting.
     
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    #24
    Here is another hole I found in your link:

    "And what of Silverstein's comments in the PBS special? He used the term "Pull" to describe a decision made. Conspiracy theorists say "Pull" is a term used by demolition experts. This is one of those many half truths conspiracy theorists use to convince the ignorant. "Pull" is used when they "Pull" a building away from another with cables during demolition."

    Ok, what idiot uses the term "pull IT" (he said PULL IT on the PBS documentary, not PULL) to refer to a group of firefighters. Why didn't he just say "we got the firefighters out of the building." The reason he didn't say it is because there were no firefighters in the building. The expression "pull it" in the construction industry means "pull the buildings down" controlled demolition.
     
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  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #25
    No shame. They only care about themselves and their savior, alex "can't get a real job, so I sucker money from the dumb" jones.

    tesla's been owned so many times here, copying and pasting what he's told to think, but it's no surprise he'd surface to disrespect 9/11 victims.

    It's at a time like this when I wish I could reach out and smack someone through the internet.
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #26
    You are just being lazy now, Tesla.

    Read the quote in context.

    First off, "pull it" is not a demolition term.

    Second, if you read the entire exchange, "it" refers to the team of firefighters.
    This is a grammar issue I suggest you look into.
     
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    #27
    You believe the government caused 9/11. They hijaacked planes in each instance. Why would they break theme and do wtc7 with demolitions?

    Still Waiting.
     
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    #28
    I'm refraining from reposting the link where Tesla says aliens made the government do it. Maybe before bed, so no one thinks I'm abandoned the discussion ;)
     
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  9. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #29
    Tesla, here are some of the hijackers, of the victims you are disrespecting...their final words:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191520,00.html

    Nice of you to do allah's work at such an important time. How many virgins do you have racked up?
     
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    #30
    Alright, I was trying to pick through the other holes I found in the link you posted, but I will take a short break to talk about this.

    WTC 7 is very important, because it housed various government agencies, and some of us "conspiracy nuts" believe the government destroyed that building to cover their tracks, and to destroy evidence.

    Let me make one thing clear thought, this is a THEORY. We don't know for sure. What I do know is that if building 7 was hit with debris, and this caused it too fall, the building would have TOPPLED, not fallen straight down. WTC 7 fell straight down, it didn't topple like a lego block would if you pushed against it. People, please look at the WTC 7 video. The building fell in like 7 seconds, this is a classic building demolition.
     
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  11. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #31
    He's had some kooky ones. Kinda reminds me of this illustration:

    [​IMG]
     
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    #32
    That's not the question. Why would the government not simply hijack another plane and slam it into wtc7? Clearly, killing civilians isn't an issue. Why break a good theme (planes) and use something entirely different?

    Again. Look at the construction of the building. Purdue or someone has a great video of this; you can see part of the top collapsing then the walls falling inwards, as you'd expect. the total crash time is like 16 seconds or something. Not 7.

    It collapsed from interior and side damage. No one was pushing on it. false analogy.

    So, again...

    Why would the government not simply hijack another plane and slam it into wtc7? Clearly, killing civilians isn't an issue. Why break a good theme (planes) and use something entirely different?

    Waiting.
     
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    #33
    So you mean to tell me, the word "it" in the English language is used to refer to more than one person or thing. Come on lorien. If Larry Silverstein were talking about a group of people, he would have said "them" or "they" not "it." it means one object, and in this case, "it" was WTC 7.

    So I'm disrespecting the families of 911 by asking questions about the event, that don't make sense. Does that make me non American Gtech? Must I believe everything the government says without asking questions?
     
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    #34
    You could really have answered that yourself. It's not THAT hard to figure out.
    The 2 Twin Towers were constructed to survive the impact of a fully loaded 707 , or even several of those - according to a video interview with WTC Construction Manager Frank A. DeMartin (missing since 9/11).

    Since the perpetraitors knew this, they had to plant explosives inside the building ahead of time to start a disguised controlled demolition in time.

    They just needed the planes as a fake spectacular reason for the building-collapse, because they simply would have difficulties to explain how the hell some terrorists from a cave in afghanistan could have planted the explosives.

    Watch the movie "911 Mysteries - Demolitions" on video.google.com.
     
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    #35
    Previous to the quote, you can dig up the transcript if you want...

    The conversation is something like:

    The team is experiencing heavy fire and blah blah blah.

    Pull it.

    "it" being the team in the context of the conversation. Is that too difficult? honestly?
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #36
    There is a difference between asking questions and making allegations. But then these same things have been covered time and again. So in reality, you are proving how dishonest you area. Yes, you are very much disrespecting victims and their families by holding your pre-planned charades. Once questions are answered (as they have been hundreds of times on this forum, especially with you), they don't need repeating.

    You've demonstrated you do not have the ability to retain knowledge and that your love for alex jones overrides common sense.

    You should be a shamed.
     
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    #37
    I don't have an answer to that. Only the government knows that. The only thing I can say is that sometime even the best criminals slip up.

    So, if the building collapsed from side damaged, why didn't it fall sideways, instead of straight down? Does this not defy basic NEWTONIAN MECHANICS?

    If I push a building from the side(apply force) how does that building fall straight down? It doesn't matter how the building was designed, it defies basic laws of physics.
     
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    #38
    at landing speeds, not at full speeds; and tanks of fuel were not part of those calculations either. the top levels did not have appropriate asbestos coverage either, so the higher levels were more susceptible to fire damage.

    I wasn't referring to wtc1/2 anyways. I believe you can see the 7 there can;t you?

    Again. You have some hijaccked planes. Why would you demolish a building you wanted to destroy. For thematic purposes, if I were planning this, I'd slam a plane into the building like everything else. Wouldnt you?

    I can think for myself, but thanks for showing us you cannot.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #39
    So you signed up with a new nick to inform the world you are really so gullible that you let others do your thinking for you?

    Parents didn't give you enough attention when you were younger, eh? Heh!
     
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    #40
    I actually thing this is funny. I have never in my entire life used the "it" to ever refer to a group of humans. I have never in my life heard anyone I know use the word "it" to refer to a group of humans. The only time I've ever heard it on television is when Larry Silverstein said it.

    What this basically tells me, is that no one uses "it" to refer to a group of people in the English language. Silverstein slipped up on TV, but this is just one of their many mistakes.
     
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