September 11, 2001 attacks were planned by the United States government

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  2. lorien1973

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    Are you really that new to the internet? Most of that is utter crap, un-cited sources galore.
     
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    Do you really beleive that?
     
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    911 was an inside job. I will ask a series of questions here that are based on facts, and I challenge lorien and the other people who believe the official story to answer them. Of course, they won't, because then never do. OKAY, lets get started:

    1. Why was the Bin Laden family allowed to fly out of the country after 911, when every other American was grounded from taking flights(Yes it is a FACT, the Bin Laden family WAS flow out of the country after 911. Waiting for your response lorien.......)

    2. Why did Building 7 collapse when it was not hit by any debris or planes, and it was several hundred yards away from the twin towers? (Before you guys say that the debris from the twin towers made WTC 7 fall, let me point out that the DEUTSCHE BANK building was right next to the twin towers, and even though debris fell on it(a lot) it didn't collapse.

    3. Why did William Rodriguez, a Janitor in the WTC towers, say that there were explosions heard BENEATH his feet just after the planes hit many stories above?

    4. If the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian, why did the U.S. invade Iraq and Afghanistan, using 911 as an excuse? Why not invade Saudi Arabia?

    Now, lets start round one of the debate by having everyone who agrees with the government answer these four questions with facts, and not making fun of me for being a tin foil hat wearing man.
     
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    1. Why was the Bin Laden family allowed to fly out of the country after 911, when every other American was grounded from taking flights(Yes it is a FACT, the Bin Laden family WAS flow out of the country after 911. Waiting for your response lorien.......)

    ????????????????????????


    2. Why did Building 7 collapse when it was not hit by any debris or planes, and it was several hundred yards away from the twin towers? (Before you guys say that the debris from the twin towers made WTC 7 fall, let me point out that the DEUTSCHE BANK building was right next to the twin towers, and even though debris fell on it(a lot) it didn't collapse.

    ????????????????????????


    3. Why did William Rodriguez, a Janitor in the WTC towers, say that there were explosions here BENEATH his feet just after the planes hit many stories above?

    Perhaps gas lines from above traveled down to the gas source and exploded?


    4. If the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian, why did the U.S. invade Iraq and Afghanistan, using 911 as an excuse?

    Cause we get lots of oil from SA?
     
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    Haven't we been thru this Telsa? Don't you eventually leave these threads, then come back with the same disproven complaints time and time again?

    http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp

    It was hit by debris. Like 25 percent of one of the faces was ripped off because of wtc debris. Not even AGS is dumb enough to say it wasn't hit any any debris.

    Any corroboration of this?

    did he edit 4 ly? anyways...

    They were trained if Afghanistan. they learned to fly in south florida. Nationality is only relevant on the surface level. Where they trained, got their funding, etal is far more crucial, isnt it?
     
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    Why not invade Saudi Arabia?

    Think that was added
     
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    The bin Ladin family is immensely rich and intimately connected with the innermost circles of the Saudi royal family.

    A mob killing a member of the bin laden family would look bad and would be bad for business.
     
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    Lorien, declassified document from Judicial Watch contradict what the 911 Commission Report is saying. In fact, they say the exact opposite:http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/Saudi Docs 2.pdf This document makes it clear that the Bin Laden family was flown out of the U.S. after the 911 attacks.

    Here is an article from the times of India which says Bush took the FBI off the trail of the Bin Ladens. Now why would Bush do that? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1030259305

    Why didn't the Deutsche Bank building collapse. It was right by the world trade centers. Also, did you see the video of WTC 7 falling? That was awfully smooth for a building that collapsed because of debris. In facts, it defies any physics I know of, and I've read a few books on physics.

    Take a real good look as this video lorien, and tell me debris caused that building to collapse. How well did you do in science in school? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qWFVzBdM5s&mode=related&search=

    They learned to fly in Florida, and the CIA, nobody in the U.S. government knew they were there? I mean, we don't pay our taxes, and the IRS can track us down, but you mean to tell me terrorist can operate in the U.S. without the government's knowledge. I find this hard to believe.
     
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    You clearly didn't read the link I posted did you? Thought not.

    its the grammar and punctuation that makes think particuarly believable. Come on Tesla. Can't you do better than this?
     
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    I also believe that the US government is responsible for this.
     
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    Really? Imagine that!
    Location: Pakistan
     
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    Well, then you are an expert on physics, now doesn't it? Did you know that WTC 7 had a special design to it, where a few support pillars kept the building standing; and a loss of any of these would cause its collapse. Guess what? It was hit and it fell. Stunning.

    the collapse wasn't very smooth, actually. If you look at the slo-mo, part of it collapsed before the other part of it. I wouldn't call that smooth.

    Here's more on this for you:
    http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

    Are you actually looking at these links or just going from point to point?

    Now, Tesla. Ask yourself this:

    You believe the government caused 9/11. They hijaacked planes in each instance. Why would they break theme and do wtc7 with demolitions?

    Boldened to ensure you don't miss this ;) I expect an answer from you.

    Blame our shitty immigration svcs. they were on student visas that were overdue. So immigration should have gone after them, but obviously did not. In hindsight, knowing they are terrorists; its easy to see that they should have been picked up, right? :rolleyes:
     
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  18. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Seems like the pattern is already starting. The alex jones kiddies and muslims showing their disrespect for those killed on 9/11.

    As I've pointed out before:

    The lazy asses have arrived with their hate.
     
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    Ok Lorien, I just clicked on the link you sent, and I already see an error. This is the error:

    "As you can see, the building never caught fire so it was never in any danger of collapse."

    Umm, steel frame building don't collapse due to fire. A building just caught fire a few weeks ago in New York but did not collapse. Fire can't melt steel. If you believe it can, you need to read a few books on science and chemistry. Now, since we know fire doesn't make steel buildings fall, lets look as some other fallacies in the link you posted.

    Building seven is quite far from the WTC towers. In the map shown on the link you sent lorien, WTC 7 is separated from WTC 1 and 2 by WTC 5 and 6!! How in the hell can debris travel that far and bring down a steel skycraper? Come on, can't you see the government is lying to you lorien? This is common sense. Go to the link you posted and look at the map.

    Even with the height difference, there is no way the debris traveled that far, because, ACCORDING TO THE LAWS of Physics, the buildings fell straight down. At the very most, WTC 7 would have been hit with minor debris, not enough to topple it at all.
     
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  20. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Yep. Absolve them in public, praise them in the mosque :rolleyes:
     
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