Every american to have a national ID in 9 months?!

Not at all. I'm still waiting for you to tell me which countries were defeated militarily to end communism.

 

You haven't read my post which I posted before the message here.

 

Some very good post here by the way. Nice to see some of you on top of this, very bright people here.

So what is one answer?

What has kept us safe for the last 230 years? Our borders. The
problem we are facing today has been caused by our government’s
decision to not enforce our borders. Between 12 and 20 million
illegal immigrants don’t get into a country by accident. They arrive by
purposeful neglect.

Some would make us believe that border enforcement is mission
impossible. Totally untrue. We can enforce our borders if we
want to. Our friend Israel certainly knows how to guard its borders.
They have an electronic fence with a dirt road running along side of it.
Every four to six hours an army jeep with a sweeper attached sweeps
the dirt road, at the same time looking for footprints indicating a
border violation. If Israel, with a population of 6 million can defend
a 450-mile border, surely a country with a population of 300 million
can defend a 2,000-mile border…that is if we want to.

If our borders were properly defended, we wouldn’t have to
destroy the freedom of America by tracking everyone, everywhere.
We could live within secure borders without being numbered,
without being tracked.

Has the time come for a country where the police can pull you over
and demand “Papers please”? Will we, like the Jews in Nazi Germany,
accept being numbered?

Oh by the way there is this prophecy found in Revelation 13:15-18 foretells that a time will come when every person on earth will be forced to have a
number in the hand or in the forehead, or else the individual will
not be able to buy or sell.

Just let that sink in.

The prophecy is 2,000 years old, but it is happening now! I’m not saying that it might happen. I’m saying that the law is already passed by Congress and signed by our president.

We are watching the implementation in process now!

God help us to have the courage to say no to the worst law ever passed in the history of the United States of America! Let’s throw the Real ID Act on the trash heap of history once and for all!

Have we Americans lost our backbone? Are we afraid to stand
up against a government that continues to become more and more
intrusive?

Will we stand silently still while our governmental masters
snap the electronic handcuffs in place?

Patrick Henry said it so eloquently 232 years ago: “Is life so dear, or
peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?
Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but
as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
Somebody needs to say it again!

One more time...

Is the Real ID a national ID? Answer: It is an ID card, and it was created by a national law.

It’s a national ID no matter how much the Washington bureaucrats try to deceive and deny. Still, Homeland Security continues to claim a majority of Americans are for something that they are, in fact, against! Again
...deception, deception, deception!

No ID No buying or selling.

 

I read it is not the individuals choice. Each state decides. But if you live in a state that refuses, you are still subject to this for dealing with federal. Dealing with federal is like VOTING, and JURY DUTY and flying anywhere. My opinion is that the national id card is complete crap. Our stupid governor Janet Napolitano is trying to sell out Arizona, hopefully our state legislators will block this.

 

Keep the faith and never quit rebecca because we are making a difference.

In the United States many are fighting against the national ID card. Including the ACLU.
Endtime ministries sent out magazines to every senator and congressman to wake them up to this prophecy in the Bible where everyone must have a number to buy or sell, and now people are starting to wake up across this nation.

The European nation of Serbia got its government to back off on putting biometric chips in their citizens cards. If Serbia can do it surely the united states can stand up and say... We will not be numbered! We will not take these biometric chips in our cards. Something about implanting chips in human beings just starts me up.

The Bible prophesies it will happen to those who do not love the truth. Jesus said: I am the way, the truth, and the life... Believe it.

Revelation 13:16 says, And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Looking up the word "mark" in the Greek is kyze stigma. Meaning to stick or to prick or to puncture.
Digital angel is wanting to put chips under the skin of every human being on the planet using RFID technology.
The implant is about the size of a grain of rice. Many people in other countries have the chips implanted to pay for the drinks at bars and clubs, where little attire is required by the customer.
You may have on a bathing suit so all you need to do is swipe your hand drink is paid for. Some of you are wondering why does the Bible say forehead?
Who would want a chip in thier forehead?
The people who have no arms or hands, the handicapped. Swipe the head at the checkout and you're done.

You might also remember former U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson coming out and promoting Americans getting chips implanted under their skin in order to alert healthcare workers about medical conditions...

Rev 14:8 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

This is not something you want to pledge allegence to and take!


List of states rejecting real ID:

Tennessee, SJR 0248 (pdf) (html) (enrolled June 14, 2007)
South Carolina, S 449 (pdf) (html) (enrolled June 5, 2007)
Nebraska, (pdf) (html) (adopted May 30, 2007)
New Hampshire, HB 685 (pdf) (html) (adopted May 24, 2007)
Oklahoma, SB 464 (pdf) (Word) (approved May 23, 2007)
Illinois, HJR 0027 (pdf) (html) (adopted May 22, 2007)
Missouri, HCR 20 (pdf) (html) (adopted May 17, 2007)
Nevada, AJR 6 (pdf) (html) (enrolled May 14, 2007)
Colorado, HJR 1047 (pdf) (html) (signed May 14, 2007)
Georgia, SB 5 (pdf) (html) (signed May 11, 2007)
Hawaii, SCJ 31 (pdf) (html) (adopted April 25, 2007)
North Dakota, SCR 4040 (pdf) (html) (signed April 20, 2007)
Washington (pdf) (html) (signed April 18, 2007)
Montana, HB 287 (pdf) (html) (signed April 17, 2007)
Arkansas, SCR 22 (pdf) (signed March 28, 2007)
Idaho, HJM 3 (pdf) (html) (signed March 12, 2007)
Maine, SP 113 (pdf) (html) (adopted January 25, 2007)

 

Here´s what I see off of wiki:

On January 25, 2007, a Resolution passed overwhelmingly in the Maine Legislature that refuses implementation of the Real ID Act in that State, and demands Congress repeal the law. Many Maine lawmakers believe the law does more harm than good, that it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to enforce, is threatening to individual privacy, makes citizens increasingly vulnerable to ID theft, and would cost Maine taxpayers at least $185 million in five years because of the massive unfunded federal mandates on all the states. The Resolution vote in the Maine House was 137-4 and in the Maine Senate unanimously, 34-0.

On February 16, 2007, Utah unanimously passed a resolution which opposes the REAL ID Act[10]. The resolution states that REAL ID is "in opposition to the Jeffersonian principles of individual liberty, free markets, and limited government." It further states that "the use of identification-based security cannot be justified as part of a 'layered' security system if the costs of the identification 'layer'--in dollars, lost privacy, and lost liberty--are greater than the security identification provides."

 

Okay. The real ID act also allows the Department of Homeland security to specify the machine-readable technology use in IDs as well as biometric data such as fingerprint or retina scans with these regulations not yet determined because of opposition...


Most have probably heard at least one of the following stories. Put a frog in a pot of boiling water and he will save himself by jumping right out. Put him in a pan of cold water, and gradually increase the heat. You will soon boil him to death. Want to catch a wild hog that won’t come anywhere near you? Put a little corn out for him in the woods.

Do that pretty regularly until he gets used to the smell of humans and gradually accustoms himself to eating corn. Get him to follow your trail of corn right into an enclosure and you capture him easily. What is the moral of these two stories? What has this got to do
with government identification programs?

What has gradualism got to do with a national ID? We can begin answering these questions by noting that at the time of the American Revolution, there was little concern for the official, civil registration of births and deaths. Even in the Constitution there is no specific mention of vital statistics other
than the commissioning of the federal government to conduct a census every ten years in order to determine the apportionment of congressmen among the states. At any time prior to 1900, it
would probably have been impossible for a large portion of the American populace to prove that they had ever been born or that their parents were ever married, since they had no state-issued
birth or marriage certificates. Before the advent of the automobile, there was certainly no such thing as a state-issued license to drive a horse and wagon. Nonetheless, today, nearly everyone
has a state-issued birth certificate, and practically anyone who drives a motor vehicle has a state-issued license extending to them the “privilege” to do so. The constitutional directive for the
decennial census has been expanded to such an extent that serious consideration is now being given to assigning a federal identification number to each and every citizen and resident alien
in the United States. And some are even howling for the American populace to be chipped like applied digital solutions who had Tommy Thomson as their cover boy to get the sheep in line. How did we in America move from the point where few of our ancestors were concerned about even having a record of their birth (much less having a public official make that record) to the point where we are ready to accept a unique government number to identify us? How were we convinced to accept government numbers when our forefathers would have bristled at the thought?

Here were some of the steps:
1639 - Massachusetts Bay Colony ordered that births and deaths
should be reported to the town clerk by parents or household
owners within one month of their occurrence. Connecticut and
other colonies followed suit in the succeeding years.
1790 - First national census conducted in accordance with Article I,
Section 2 of the US Constitution.
1842 - Massachusetts became the first state to require collection
of vital statistics (births and deaths); followed by other states
between 1850 and 1900.
1903 - Massachusetts and Missouri became the first states
to require driver’s licenses, though Missouri had no driver
examination law until 1952.
1935 - The passage of the Social Security Act “proved to be a great
stimulus” to birth certification. Many people had never considered
a birth certificate to be of any importance until old age assistance,
unemployment insurance, and other ramifications of the Social
Security Act demonstrated to them that it was necessary to have
this official proof of their existence in order to collect benefits.
1961 - The IRS demanded that all taxpayers provide their Social
Security number when paying federal taxes.
1992 - Hospital enumeration-at-birth program (assigning newborns Social Security numbers) was begun.
Looking at this historical overview, it is easy to see how government gradualism has prevailed. Like the frog jumping out of boiling water, the American people would have completely rejected a national numbering system when the Constitution was adopted. When the first federal census was conducted in South Carolina, the enumeration was met with considerable resistance. Several heads of family in the Federal District for Charleston were indicted in 1791 for “refusing to render an account of their
respective families.” George Washington, in a letter to Governor Morris, noted that many Americans held religious scruples against complying with the census officials, while others feared that the
census was in some way connected with taxes, and hence refused to cooperate. However, now after nearly three hundred years of accepting some limited forms of government enumeration, a
national ID system doesn’t sound so strange.

Clearly, people soon get used to government involvement in their lives. Our government has always used the carrot and stick approach to gain cooperation. It threatened punishment for not
complying with its laws; and it promised handouts for obeying. This was the exact method used by the government’s Social Security Administration. First it promised that a social security number would never be used for identification purposes. Then it promised practically free pay outs to the retiring elderly if they would only apply for a number.
Then years later, the SSA and the IRS threatened all sorts of penalties and loss of privileges if one
refused a number. By 1973, it was required that a social security number be furnished if one were to open a personal checking account. Later, one could not claim dependent exemptions unless
one provided their social security numbers on one’s 1040 tax form. Today, in some states, one cannot obtain a driver’s license without providing a social security number. What will come next?
What comes next is a compulsory, national ID. Whether administered at the state or the federal level, each and every person in the United States would be issued a government identification, and would be required to use it in order to participate in numerous activities.
A true national identification card would necessarily be universal (if not issued to every newborn it would be issued to all children upon their reaching a certain age) and compulsory (it would become a crime, punishable by one or imprisonment, to refuse to accept or use such a document). It would also be a violation of the law to have more than one card, to use the card of another person, or to
hold a card in the name of an alias. A national ID would act as a domestic passport. In many countries around the world, where such cards actually exist, they are needed to rent an apartment,
buy a home, apply for a job, pay one’s utility and telephone bills, withdraw books from the library, or to access health care services.

They could act as a surrogate driver’s license, passport, voter registration card, hunting/fishing license, and draft card. With micro-chip technology, such a card would act as a complete medical, financial, tax, and travel dossier, documenting where you have been, how you got there, and how you paid for the services you used. In conjunction with data reported to the Internal Revenue Service, it would enable the government to calculate how much you owed in taxes each year. National ID micro-chips
could be accessed by all government agencies so the card could be used to verify that the holder had no delinquent taxes or child support, no overdue library books, no parking fines, no bounced
checks, and no unpaid traffic violations. Micro-chips would also have the capability to be disabled from a central government once at the discretion of any government agency, “instantly
rendering its holder unable to travel or function in society.” In short, government ID would be a license to live, issued by the government. No longer would life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness be a natural, inalienable right.

 

We already have a national ID card. It's called a social security number. The government can already track you from that. You can't get a job without one.

This is the biggest non issue since snot on a rag.

It would be nice to have a single form of ID instead of a government issued ID number and a driver's license. It'd be a lot more secure that a 9 digit number that has little else attached to it to verify you are who you say you are. SSN + Mother's Maiden name == good times.

The only "security" you have now is the lack of communication between entities. Not lack of the information actually being available.

I'd like to be able to go to any doctor and have them be able to pull up everything they need to know without having to waste time filling out redundant paperwork.

Freedom means being able to do what you want even when everyone is looking at you. Privacy is not a requirement for freedom.

 

Are you saying that a total lack of privacy could still constitute freedom?

They are not mutually exclusive.

 

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–noun 1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
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7. the absence of or release from ties, obligations, etc.
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15. the right to enjoy all the privileges or special rights of citizenship, membership, etc., in a community or the like.
16. the right to frequent, enjoy, or use at will: to have the freedom of a friend's library.
17. Philosophy. the power to exercise choice and make decisions without constraint from within or without; autonomy; self-determination.

 

Meanwhile, real people in real countries around the world are losing real freedoms. Presidents electing themselves for life, closing down media outlets that are not friendly, nationalizing oil.

America is in dire need of a good solid de-wussification program.

 

I don't understand why you hate America so much.

 

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Contradict yourself much?

 

Read much.

Where's the contradiction?

Read, comprehend, respond.

The government tracks you by your SSN already.

Other people can steal your SSN and then easily ruin your name if they get some other basic information about you that is typically public information.

The real ID would have other security measures in place so that you can't use other people's SSNs.

That's why the Real ID is a Good Idea (tm).

 

Firstly the poster says a national ID card is ok because people already have a SS number and the government can track you by that, And in the next breath he says we need ID cards because the SS number isn't very good at actually verifying you are who you say you are.

 

See, what you fail to understand is that the government relies on the SSN (secure or not) and its up to you to make sure nobody steals your identity and if they do its up to you to prove it and spend the money to get it fixed.

It's irrelavent if its good at its job or not. That's what it's used for and obviously it needs an upgrade.

So, anyone with some sense should realize that maybe, just maybe if the government is going to have a national id card anyway it should be more secure than the current SSN+Driver's License combo.

But people don't think like that because they're dumb.

There's this crazy invention that banks came up with to help stop credit card theft. It's called a "picture."

I can't wait to have what is essentially a SSN card with a picture, thumbprint, DNA sample, whatever so that I don't have to worry every time I have to give that number out to get a job, get a credit card, get a license, or whatever that someone is going to leak that information to a crook.

I will finally be able to drop the most important number you will ever have in a public park and not have to worry about someone stealing my identity and ruining my credit.

That's freedom.

 

haha it's "freedom" to be tracked and monitored at every opportunity through the fear that someone somewhere is going to get a loan out in your name? That's not freedom, That paranoia.

See the trouble is some poeple haven't grown up. they still act and think like four year old who know that they can go running to mummy and daddy to protect them, Except this time your mummy and daddy is the government and your protection is a cage.

Listen, If you feel as though you are incapable of running your own life without being constantly monitored then have your ID card, But for responsible adults, We will do fine on our own. We don't need to hold someones hand.

 

That's a fascinating clueless rant on what your SSN is for and why it's important to be able to verify your identity.

So I want you to tear up your SSN number and never use it for as long as you live.

You don't need it. So destroy it.

Then come crawling back to use in a few years and tell us how it went because you "stopped holding daddy's hand."

 

I didn't even mention the SS number you clown. Are you going to read what i type or are you simply going to interprit it as something you feel sufficiantly armed to counter?