Every american to have a national ID in 9 months?!

If the government of the United States passed a law for security purposes that every American had to have a personal ID number tattooed on his or her hand, without which that person would not be permitted to buy or sell, would you accept it?

I’m sure most of you are saying, No way! Not over my dead body!
Yet, such a law has already been passed with one minor difference—which really is no difference. You
won’t have the number tattooed on your hand. You only have to have the number on a card in your hand.

The bottom line is you will have the number in your hand or you will not be able to buy or sell.

The new law requires every American to have a national ID card without which you will be unable to hold a job, and you will not be able to have a bank account. With no job and no bank account, how much
buying and selling will you be able to do? Obviously, none!

Now allow me to ask the question once again. Will you accept a number in your hand in order to keep your job or have a bank account? Think about it very carefully. Each of us will have to answer this question between now and May 11, 2008 when the Real ID Act is scheduled for implementation.

What’s behind this national ID? The rationale being given for the creation of a national ID is to guard against the threat of terrorism. However, the global government crowd wanted a national ID long before terrorism reared its ugly head.

Twenty-seven years ago in its September 15, 1980 edition, the
U.S. News & World Report carried an editorial entitled “A National
Identity Card” by Editor Marvin Stone. In the editorial, Stone
argued that a national ID was needed to thwart illegal immigration,
protecting American jobs from illegal immigrants.

In spite of what Homeland Security is saying, the national ID is
not really a security issue. It’s all about control. You can’t control a
population unless you issue each of them a number. Then you must
force them to use that number for employment, travel, and banking.
When accomplished, you can force compliance to any mandate issued
by the government since invalidation of the person’s number renders
the individual a non-person.

Economic control means controlling a person’s ability to exist.


Deception #1

When is a national ID card not a national ID card?

When Homeland Security says so! From the very beginning, the national ID
card has been shrouded in deception. Wanting a national ID card, but
knowing the American people would never stand for it, the decision
was made to call the national ID the Real ID. Abracadabra! Now it’s
not a national ID card!

At the recent National Forum on the Real ID held in Sacramento,
California on May 1, 2007, Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security
Richard Barth emphatically stated, “ its not a national ID!” And he
actually expected us to believe him! Of course, we didn’t.
There’s actually a very simple way to rip the cover off of this blatant
deception once and for all. Question #1: Is the Real ID an ID card?
Yes, of course. Everyone, including Homeland Security agrees.

Now, question #2:

Was this ID card created by a state law or by a national law? Why…it was created by a national law.Then it’s a national ID card! It’s really very simple…except when you’re trying to deceive people into accepting something they
don’t want.

Deception #2
Thee promoters of the national ID claim repeatedly that the Real
ID Act was a legitimately passed law of Congress. It is true that the
House of Representative did pass the Real ID Act. However, it was
suspected that much stiffer resistance would be met when the bill was
sent to the Senate.

In order to stave off the possibility of defeat of this key bill that
was at the heart of governmental planners’ vision for dramatically
increased control of the populace, the Real ID Act was stealthily
hidden on the back of a must-pass funding bill for our troops in Iraq.

The 1000-page bill passed 100-0. Think of it! A bill spelling the end of
freedom for Americans being deceitfully slipped through the Senate
on the back of funding for our troops. You have to admit…that is
politics at its best! Many of the senators didn’t even realize until later
that they had voted for the Real ID.

Deception #3

True or False? The terrorist attacks of 9/11 would not have happened
if only we would’ve had a national ID card system.

The proponents of a national ID card love to repeat this myth over
and over. It is their number one selling point for the national ID.
But is it true? No. It is blatantly false! Half of the 9/11 terrorists had
legal IDs. The other half had IDs that passed airline standards at
the time. We can be assured that if the Real ID had been in force on
9/11, the hijackers would have made sure that each of them had the
necessary documentation to clear security.

These were terrorists, but they weren’t dumb!

The government’s disinformation campaign has been very effective boys and girls.
The fact is that the establishment of national standards for driver’s licenses under the Real ID Act is the creation of a national ID card—the very thing that 51 percent of the American people are against.

One more time…Is the Real ID a national ID? Answer: It is an ID card, and it was created by a national law. It’s a national ID
no matter how much the Washington bureaucrats try to deceive and deny. Still, Homeland Security continues to claim a majority of Americans are for something that they are, in fact, against!

Again…deception, deception, deception!

Those who promote the national ID would deny vehemently that
people will be placed under economic boycott unless they accept
the Real ID card. However, let’s look at the facts.

An employee verification program called Basic Pilot was started
in 1996. It is presently being used voluntarily by 5,000 employers
to check the legal status of job applicants. When a person applies
for a job, his or her social security number is submitted to the Basic
Pilot database. If the individual is not in the federal database, he or
she will not be hired.

President Bush has called on Congress to make Basic Pilot
mandatory for every employer in America and to provide the
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) with the funding and
authority to make sure it is a working tool to prevent the hiring of
illegal workers. Both the House and Senate immigration bills would
require employers to use Basic Pilot. The President’s 2007 budget
requests $111 million to expand Basic Pilot for more employers to
make use of the program. Under this proposed new law, employers
will be fined $10,000 for employing anyone not in the federal
database. If you’re not in the federal database, you cannot have a
job…anyplace in the U.S. No job…no ability to buy or sell.
And how will an individual pass the test to be included in the
Homeland Security database that will allow him to work? Never
doubt that the acid test will soon be whether a person has been
cleared for the Real ID and consequently placed in the database
shared by all fifty states.

Not only will a national ID not weed out illegal immigrants, it
will make matters worse. Here’s why. For less than $300, an illegal
alien can buy a social security card and a birth certificate. Under
the Real ID program, these documents can then be used to obtain a
legitimate ID card issued by the Bureau of Motor Vehicles. Suddenly,
an illegal alien is supplied by the government with a certification of
legitimacy. It will be an illegal immigrants dream!
The Real ID won’t prevent illegal immigration. It will facilitate it!

Can you say the end of freedom boys and girls?

If the Real ID Act is implemented, every American will be placed in
a national database. Every time you swipe your national ID, it will be
recorded creating a constant trail of every person’s movements.

Hmmmm... sounds like Germany to me.

The purpose of the Real ID is control. Many people think that is a
good thing…but is it?

Not if you believe in freedom!

Control and freedom are opposites. The proposed National ID is
nothing but the slapping of invisible electronic handcuffs on every
person in America. It is the end of freedom for the land of the free and
the home of the brave.

But if a person has done nothing wrong, what difference does it
make if the government knows where you’ve been, what you bought,
what you read and which websites you visited? Hmm…that sounds
like something Adolf Hitler would have said.

How far are Americans willing for our government to go in insuring
our security? Total security requires total control. The safest place on
earth is in a padded cell, but who wants to live there?

Freedom requires bravery, not total security. Our national anthem
concludes with “O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.” If
we ever cease to be brave, we will no longer be free.

 

The Real ID card is just another step towards owning people. Ron Paul is totally against Real ID, which is another reason why I support him.

What’s Wrong With Real ID

It’s a national identity system. The standardized national driver’s licenses created by Real ID would become a key part of a system of identity papers, databases, status and identity checks and access control points – an “internal passport” that will increasingly be used to track and control individuals’ movements and activities.

Will not be effective against terrorism. The fact is, identity-based security is not an effective way to stop terrorism. ID documents do not reveal anything about evil intent – and even if they did, determined terrorists will always be able to obtain fraudulent documents (either counterfeit or real documents bought from corrupt officials).

Will be a nightmare for state governments. Real ID requires state governments to remake their driver’s licenses, restructure many of their computer databases and other systems, create an extensive new document-storage system, and – perhaps most difficult of all – verify the “issuance, validity and completeness” of every document presented at DMVs. See Real Burdens.

Will mean higher fees, long lines, and bureaucratic nightmares for individuals. Because Congress ordered but did not pay for these mandates, which will cost states billions of dollars, fees on individuals applying for driver’s licenses will inevitably rise, perhaps steeply. Individuals are also likely to confront slower service, longer lines, and frequent bureaucratic snafus in obtaining these ID cards. Many unlucky individuals will find themselves caught in a bureaucratic nightmare as they run up against the complexities of this law.

Increased security and ID-theft risks. The creation of a single interlinked database as well as the requirement that each DMV store copies of every birth certificate and other documents presented to it will create a one-stop shop for identity thieves.

Will be exploited by the private sector to invade privacy. Real ID would make it easy for anybody in private industry to snap up the data on these IDs. Already, bars often swipe licenses to collect personal data on customers – but that will prove to be just the tip of the iceberg as every convenience store learns to grab that data and sell it to data companies for a dime.

Will expand over time. The Real ID database will inevitably, over time, become the repository for more and more data on individuals, and will be drawn on for an ever-wider set of purposes. Its standardized machine-readable interface will drive its integration into an ever-growing network of identity checks and access control points – each of which will create new data trails that will in turn be linked to that central database or its private-sector shadow equivalent.

 

yep, that's how the government will try to clean up it's other mess. see they plan this sh*t out, they're not trying to stop the illegal alien problem THEY WANT IT. to set us up for further problems like this they can profit off of. get the government the HELL OUT. it's times like this that i like ron paul

 

tinfoil hats off for a second okay?

implementation has been put back to dec 2009.

you will not need a number on your hand to get a job or a bank account.

the "read id act" only sets up guidelines for a system; it does not mandate that anything issued, states can choose to implement or not implement - many states already passed bills saying they would not implement. The ID would only be needed for federal agencies, not state agencies. IE private enterprise does not need to support or have anything to do with it.

 

Um...maybe I'm missing something as usual, or maybe I really am an evil neo-con?

What exactly is the problem here? I have to show my drivers license AT LEAST once per day. Bank withdraws, cigarettes, renting cargo vans for work, and so on. Who gives a shit about this? Why is it such a big F'ing deal?

I'm actually being serious here. I read all the text and the entire time I was thinking "Yea, OK...uh huh..." I never read something in there and was like OMG NO!

I'm really not seeing a threat with this ID card. I know it's a tired and lame excuse, but I really have nothing to hide. I'm not buying 500kg of explosive materials or spending $10's of thousands of dollars in cash at a time(wish I was, but I'm not) on suspect materials.

In all seriousness, if the government wants to follow me and track my every move, be my F'ing guest. They are going to have VERY long and boring 8hour shifts.
Plus, if they do this, I would think I can use this new card and not have to use my drivers license. Maybe they will just do away with drivers licenses all together and have this card hold all your status. No more SS# and no more DL# to show people. You just have one card.

 

If you want to read this quotes more quickly scroll down to the bottom of the page to "goals for this year and the future" in red

 

When the government wants to give you a national ID card, you are no longer living in a free country, and it resembles Nazi Germany. Also, Identity Theft will REALLY kick off with a national ID card. The situation is really simple: We don't need a national ID card, and I for one will not take one, regardless of what my state does..

 

I'm still not seeing the threat

 

How does taking a DL and basically making it a national DL instead of a state DL = Nazi Germany?

 

A national ID card is very Big Brother/Nazi Germany, especially in a country where we are supposed to have freedom. Our privacy is being violated by the government when they put us in a database where they know everything about us.

You're right, the DL is basically the same thing, but this national ID card takes things to a whole new level. It doesn't make us safer, it just makes it easier for us to become victims of identity theft. It is also a waste of our budget, and the government definitely doesn't know how to balance a budget.

 

We have had this in Norway for 36 years, an unique number for each person. I feel its a kind of a security for me, no one can easily mess with my stuff.

 

Thanks for the info. I'm curious to know what the # is used for. We have unique #s here, SSN. But not in the form of an internal passport or national ID.

This really speaks to the failure of our government (past and present) that the solution to immigration and terrorism (sic) is to issue everyone with a mandatory proof of who they are, and require it for any government services.

 

We already have an unique number in the United States, Social Security. The issue I see with a National ID card is that it makes this country more of a national state. The USA was founded on the states having power. I live in New Hampshire and we as a state are not going to comply with the National Real ID Act.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?articleId=9026324&command=viewArticleBasic

I know that it may sound far fetch but somewhere down the road we all might have to fight off having chips put into us.

Lastly, I don't think that most people living in the USA know this, but we no longer have habeas corpus...

"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Ben Franklin

 

The number is used for bank accounts, insurance, taxes and all contact with the state.

 

Do you have to carry a card or passport? Does it have photo identification?

I'm very curious because our SSN functions much the same way. But having to carry it whenever you leave the house, or present it on demand to authorities isn't something we are threatened with daily.

 

We dont have a card, just a number we use on official papers. We dont have to carry anything no, that would be way too much I think. And the number is not linked to a photo really, but it is on the drivers licence and that licence have a photo making it valid as an ID in any situation.
I am sorry to say that people with dark skin color saves a lot of hussle by carrying it. The police do random controls of them, checking if they are allowed to stay here.

 

The Real ID Act is a federal law that would turn Americans’ driver's licenses into genuine national identity cards and impose numerous new burdens on taxpayers, citizens, immigrants, and our state governments while doing nothing to protect against terrorism. As a result, it is stirring intense opposition from many groups across the political spectrum and from all over the country.

Real ID Rebellion Stalls Massive Senate Immigration Bill Over Fight for Privacy and Against Real ID, ACLU says - http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/30292prs20070627.html

ACLU Implores Congress to Address Real ID Head On, Not Through Shadowy Amendments Mandating National ID - http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/29780prs20070518.html

Real ID Protest - http://youtube.com/watch?v=OeE3iB90KeE

About the Real ID - http://youtube.com/watch?v=c7pHb7bPfMc (Ron Paul in this one, ya brotha)

 

I know about it, but try telling this to lorien, zman, gtech, lexiseek, and all the other people in this forum who thinks "everything is ok, the government is not threatening our freedoms." These guys are more worried about some dude in a cave in the Middle East rather than their own government, which has made it pretty clear that our freedoms are being taken away. I mean, this stuff really isn't a secret if you pull your head out of the sand, or get your news from some place other than CNN, FOX, NBC, or ABC.

The government is slowly taking away our freedoms, and a lot of people don't even know it. By the time they finally figure it out, it will be too late.

The funny thing about it is, you get called a conspiracy nut when you talk about it!

 

Am I odd for wanting to see a source to believe odd claims? Here is the wiki article on the ID act, it has nothing to do with info on your hand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act