The Pentagon and the Administration Never Acted to Protect the Troops

So things have definitely changed since I was in. I don't even know if they still call them "flak jackets" or not. But we had them. We transitioned from "steel pots" and "c-rats" to "kevlars" and "mre's" during that time.

So then you might take issue with the thread topic then. It says "The Pentagon and the Administration never acted to protect troops."

From a non-partisan perspective (if that's possible) do you believe that thread topic title to honest, or dishonest? Remember, being honest doesn't mean you support Bush. It's sad that I have to say that, but I feel it's necessary in this case.

 

A few still call them "flak jackets", but usually it's just "body armor"... I'd like to see our military, atleast those who need it, get upgraded from the IBA to parakleet, or the newer model (not sure of the name)... But they offer a lot more features... Our troops deserve the best kit possible, it's disgusting to see troops still carrying an m16 with iron sights...

Yeah, I wouldn't agree with it... I jumped into the middle, so never commented on the first posts, but "never" would be an exaggeration...

I don't appreciate the fact you feel you have to point out what you feel is an example of honesty...

I feel the title is an exaggeration; "never" is a term that is thrown around too often, and rarely means "never"... It's a title and post that I don't fully agree with.. Good points are made, but there are exaggerations... Nonetheless, I feel that this post contains a lot less misconceptions and fallacies then plenty of the other posts I see here...

 

Didn't you just say that most get either the IBA or parakleet? I agree, they deserve the best. An m16 in my day was the best.

Fair enough. Just wanted to see. I take no exception here.

It's unfortunate that history has forced me to expect such.

No comment. Was just interested in your opinion, nothing more.

 

Most get the IBA, some get the parakleet... In my personal opinion, the IBA doesn't allow for a lot of the things that's required, especially in this type (urban) of combat... In everything from the modular design, to the quick release function, the parakleet should be the standard issue (in the perfect world)...

Understandable... But not for the type of conflict.. The troops should have something shorter, jams less, and with better sights (i prefer the eotech )... I'm not going to go off on a rant, I'll be typing for hours...

You think too much like me for this to be the case... I'm thinking that you either wanted me to say something that you can later use against me, even if it's just a part of a sentence, or you wanted me to say something that would contradict something someone else has said in this thread... I'm not stupid, the more words a person puts out there, the better chance they'll slip up on something...

Anyways, if I'm being too defensive, just ignore me...

 

Understandable. I'd suspect the same thing, so I know what you are experiencing here. In all honesty, I was just interested if you thought the thread title was dishonest. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing for future use, not trying to divide and conquer or turn you against anyone. I just found it dishonest (partisan) and wondered what you thought on it. Case closed.

 

I started the thread. Never is admittedly a bad choice of words and inappropriate. I would suggest redo the thread title to say something like....

The Pentagon and Administration Persistantly and Continuously Didn't Act with Appropriate Speed and Urgency to Protect the Troops And Had to Continuously Be Prodded by Members of Congress including Democrats and Republicans. Furthermore the Pentagon and Administration exhibited utterly lame excuses and inappropriate indifference and has continued in this vein for the entire 4+ years of the war!!!

Then in the spirit of the way the DP P & R membership likes to ascribe characteristics to people who post, I would add a Sub Headline as follows:

Obviously the Pentagon and Administration are Jihadi American-hating defeatist/traitors and members of Congress Including Democrats and Republicans are True Patriots

 

wow, hell just froze over...you admitted you were wrong...

how about "If the dems would get off their rears and support the war, it would have been over long ago and our boys would already be home, but instead the can't even make up their minds as to whether or not they want o approve funding."

no, that headline is reserved specifically for you.

 

I know that you're just pushing this because it's in step with your agenda, but you understand it's not true right?

How many times has the lack of support for the war led to an supplemental funding bill getting dropped? There was a delay last time, but it still went through...

You honestly think, that just by having more support for this war, we would have stopped the 1,300 year old religious battle, fixed the infrastructure, ended all anti-American convictions, and installed a fully functioning democratic government?

 

Sure. If God can make the earth in 7 days, why can't Bush remake Iraq in 3 years?

 

Jeez d16:

For a guy who fills his posts with defeatocrats, shrillery, blah blah blah....I thought you would have enjoyed the suggested subtitle. It was done to reflect the spirit of posts that you seem to favor.