Boy, 5, doused in gas, set on fire by the religion of peace.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ly2, Aug 26, 2007.

  1. northpointaiki

    northpointaiki Guest

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    #41
    Save-a-family, did I read you right, you are 19????

    My god, man. You have a wondrous life ahead. May the world hear whatever you have to contribute in the coming years. Truly.
     
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  2. save-a-family

    save-a-family Peon

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    #42
    It is not about dishonesty. It is about making the world more screwed up than it already is. If you must hate, and I wish you were taught that hate is a horrible virtue in the first place, then do not create blogs about hate and incite hatred all the time. Instead of that, work to make that thing or someone you hate a little better so that you can at least go from hating to disliking. Disliking is fine. More importantly, never use the tragedy of a 5-year-old who you do not care about in your hate campaign. It is sad and wrong.

    Anyway, although the last post I directed at you seemed to fall on deaf ears, I still hope that you open your eyes soon and work to better things, not make them worse.

    You are better than this dude.
     
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  3. save-a-family

    save-a-family Peon

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    #43
    Thank you Paul. I really appreciate it. Yes, I am 19. Birth date is April 13th, 1988. :)
     
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  4. tarponkeith

    tarponkeith Well-Known Member

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    #44
    I'm still interested in knowing what this topic has to do with religion... And how the OP used the phrase "set on fire by the religion of peace", when the article even says "No one has been arrested and the motive remains unknown."...

    It's fine to dislike or hate anything, but don't start blaming other things on those people before you're sure they were behind it...
     
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  5. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #45
    Gotta hand it to you, save-a-family, these were some really good posts.
    Thumbs up to ya man.

    Now then, regarding hate;
    Although i live in Israel and saw some shit here and there, i have never had the feeling of 'hate' towards anybody. Not a country, not a person.
    I honestly am against Iran, for example. I am for taking action against that country before it's too late, however i don't hate Iran. I don't hate Ahmadinejad, although i think he is a complete moron.
    I don't hate Muslims, for that matter.
    Disagreeing with people is one thing, hating is another. With hate, comes trouble.
    Explain to me, M5Love, why do you hate Israel ? What are the reasons for such a strong feeling towards Israel ?
     
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  6. M5love

    M5love Well-Known Member

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    #46

    There you go, just as you hate Iran, I hate Israel. As I said, I don't hate the people and I certainly don't hate Jews! (as some would be pointing out with a big smile..:mad:) ..
    I think Israel poses a big threat both the United States and the countries surrounding it. Don't tell me, "oh look at the size..blah" - size doesn't matter. Look at Britain, it conquered the world at one point. Israel is top in military in the world. The political connections it has and the influence it has on the foreign policies of North America, it's really dangerous. Americans need to wake up and see what goes on behind the scenes. Americans need to stand up for free press!!!! Once again, let me state this in BOLD.. I don't hate JEWS

    Oh yes, save-a-family, I will be writing a reply to your post soon as I come back from school.. !
     
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  7. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #47
    First of all, i would appreciate if you wouldn't put words into my mouth.
    I clearly said i do not hate Iran.

    So you basically hate Israel because you think it poses a threat to the US and it's neighbor countries. The thing i don't understand is, how do you have such a strong feeling such as hate, towards Israel ?
    For me, personally, to hate someone or some country, will only occur IF that person or country deeply hurt me (mentally or physically) for any reason. I would need to feel crushed so that hate would be created within me (Or so i think, as i've never hated anyone).

    Did Israel deeply hurt you mentally or physically ?
     
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    save-a-family Peon

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    #48
    Thank you buddy, I really appreciate it.

    I fully agree with you. With hate comes trouble.
     
    save-a-family, Sep 1, 2007 IP
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    save-a-family Peon

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    #49
    Read posts before replying man. The guy CLEARLY said that he does not hate Iran. READ before you reply. Putting words in others' mouthes will not win you points.

    Oh and how much time do you spend in school? :p
     
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  10. Hamba Wena

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    #50
    Religion of Peace?

    You're not suggesting Christians did that are you?

    Pity the reporter forgot to mention the more than one million babies that were killed due to sanctions and the effects of depleted uranium bombs by the Christian West.
     
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    #51
    I would also suggest that the OP consider that in South Africa, a christian country, babies are routinely raped by christians who believe that raping them is a cure for aids.
     
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  12. M5love

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    #52
    Hating a country implies that you hate the regime, at least in my books. If not for you, then ok I will take it you just hate the regime and not 'Iran'.

    School is not that long.

    Anyways, here I will reply to your post now..

    I think you mean, the more they CONDEMN! Read the Quran and find for yourself. Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. It's the people who make the connection. Not Islam.
    About the cartoons, yes there were thousands (not millions), that went on the streets savagely. I do accept that, and it's not a way a Muslim should be protesting. I have made that point in the post about how the Prophet would have managed that situation. So again I do not support the violent way of protesting.

    The Quran is not being vague... it's you who are ignorant of thinking that. If you read the Quran, you will see that everything fits together. Why is it that with every religious book out there, it HAS to be taken out of context? People can't challenge it, that's why they take it out of context. Terrorism is not supported in Islam. God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed. (Qur'an, 16:90)
    Eat and drink of God's provision and do not go about the earth corrupting it. (Qur'an, 2:60)
    Then to be one of those who have faith and urge each other to steadfastness and urge each other to compassion. Those are the Companions of the Right. (Qur'an, 90:17-18)

    I can go on and on pasting verses from the Quran that denounce violence. All within CONTEXT. Remember, there are stories in the Quran and each story has different situation. That doesn't mean we can take the action that one had taken in the past and apply it today. But that doesn't mean the story is useless. It helps us understand what we have to do, to be good people.

    I don't know why you say you would be fighting in Iraq. I am not and none of my religious Muslim friends. Nobody I know is in Iraq fighting. It's a path an individual choses. It's good that you didn't chose not to, but that doesn't mean that Islam wasn't for you. There are various avenues you can take with any religion, cult, ideology..anything. You go to school, you can do drugs in the washroom or you can attend class. The same way, you can chose the evil path or you can take the good path. Most take the good path.

    I don't know where you get that Muslims are walking around angrily, you should come live with me for a day and see them laughing, playing, talking, walking around just like any other human. Yes we do have morales that we follow but that doesn't mean we can't have fun! Tell me one thing, is it better to have fun like drinking and then farting/throwing up in the toilet OR just having a good time with your friends playing soccer, socializing at a pool hall without drinking or smoking? I would pick the latter. I disagree with you about the good on the other side.. Of course there's good in all of us but you should be proud that we have the good plus the morality!

    Logic.. it depends what logic means to you. If it means to derive logic by using another culture's standards then so be it, you will not find it in Islam. Islam has its own kind of logic. You need to study it with an open mind to find logic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7B56RV8FTg

    Your correct by saying if a person doesn't follow 1% of the Quran, he's not Muslim. I agree. When I said a person is more religious or less religious, what I mean was a person can read more Quran, perform more prayers, do more religious duties than others, that's what known as more religious. That's all I mean.

    Yes it's a challenge living in any society that has a totally different view on life. As a Muslim, I know that this live is only temporary and I should do good in this life. When you see your non-Muslim and sometimes Muslim friends drinking, smoking, clubbing..etc it puts pressure on you to do the same. That's a challenge. Of course if you have decided that all this is life for you then it's not a challenge for you.

    Again you do not have a clear understanding of the Islamic principles. Why do I say that? Simple, your saying what every other joe on the street says about Jizya. You don't know what that is. Read up on it from a Muslim source.

    Racism, sexism and all these evils have been clearly mentioned in the Quran! You can read a little here:

    I agree that there are governments today that do not follow Islam the way it should be and that is why we see all this crap in the 'Islamic' world. The regimes in these countries have much more greed, especially the middle eastern where the oil controls what they say and not Islam. I pray to God that this changes and Islam comes back in these countries. The world would be better if Islam was the first on the agendas of these Muslim governments and not oil/money/greed...

    If anyone is interested, feel free to browse the site (in my sig).
     
    M5love, Sep 1, 2007 IP
  13. Remotay

    Remotay Well-Known Member

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    #53
    No religion was mentioned, I don't know why you hinted readers that Islamic radicals did this. Anyway, That sucks. He has my condolences.
     
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  14. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #54
    Great books you have there. I state again, that i do not hate Iran or it's regime. The fact that i do not agree with this regime and i think it is utterly stupid, moronic, barbaric and so on, does not mean i hate it.

    I don't hate anyone, at least yet :)
     
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    #55
    you point out this about Christians, as if I'm a Christian. You do know I have no religion, right?
     
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    ly2 Notable Member

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    #56
    When I see Islam take a serious stand against the barbaric things that happen in it's name, I will settle down and take another look at it. Trust me, I don't really like any religion, but I also don't waste my time to bash on other religions because, for the most part, they are docile. Islam is not docile, and it's getting more vicious every year.
     
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    #57
    Maybe take some time to find out the Muslims who are actively involved in putting down barbaric things? You won't find it in your national newspaper or cnn/fox. Look outside of these sources.
     
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    #58


    One would expect an atheist to be impartial, right. Clearly your original post did not mention either a motive nor a suspect, yet you zealously blame Muslims.

    Some of the worst atrocities in the last century were perpetuated by Christians and Jews yet you refuse to bash them.
     
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    #59
    I've noticed this assumption a lot, i figure muslims perceive critics as being christians as they see them as the enemy & only an enemy would criticize there ways/beliefs.
     
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    Because I'm not worried about what has happened. I'm worried about what IS happening. If Jews or Christians were blowing themselves and civilians up in the name of their religion, cutting peoples heads off, or other BS, I'd be making posts about Jews and Christians.
     
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